1798 Attribution?

Well, as happens from time to time, I have run across a misattributed Large Cent in my own collection. This was labeled (by me) as a S-170 but I now think it is not the proper reverse. the C in cent doesn't lean enough into the E for Reverse U. I'm also wavering between AG3 and G4 for the overall grade. Anybody out there with ideas on either attribution or grade is invited to give their opinion.

 

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Will have to try when I get home. I agree the C does not seem to lean enough, just not sure if I can see enough to determine another variety. As for the grade - AG-3 is my opinion. Just a nice plain worn planchet.

 

I think I have it, but I'd like to see others draw the same conclusion.

 

Just for fun, we'll start with the basics for 1798.

1. Perfect Date or Overdate? Too worn to tell.
2. Large 8 or small 8? Probably Large 8, but not conclusive.
3. Style 1 or Style 2 Letters? I'm pretty certain it's Style 2 Letters from looking at the L.
4. Style 1 or Style 2 Hair? I'm pretty certain that this is Style 2 Hair, even though there is damage at the "extra curl."

 

Points of interest.

1. The JHF is right of the base of T and the HWH is right of the upright of R.
2. The top of the 8 is close to the drapery.
3. Leaf tip at D near the inner curve.
4. Inner Pair of leaves at T close to stem. Outer Pair of leaves at T overlap stem.
5. Apparent remnant of a die crack from Lowest leaf on the left to end of stem to bend of left ribbon to fraction bar. I am unfamiliar with any similar crack though several are close. Someone with better information on late die states might have an idea.

 

Well I think a 165 to 167. I don't see the crack for the 166 - which leaves 165 or 167. The problem is I can not see enough to go any farther.

 

My thought was the S-165 due to the overlapping outside pair of leaves at T which eliminate S-166 and S-167, but the inner leaf pair seems too close and I don't have any information about the apparent die crack I mentioned in item 5 above.

Do you see what I'm talking about or is my imagination running away with me?

 

In 167 there is a crack from rim thru 8 into drapery. Yes - I see the difference, but I can't tell of the outside leaves merge with the stem or if they are worn down into the stem. The three reverse per Sheldon can be distinquished by the presence or absence of die breaks.

 

That looks more like the crack from the S-166.

 

It's close, but different. The S-166 crack runs closer to the ribbon knot on both the stem and ribbon. This one's more distant and ends to the left of the numerator. The bottom of the C is blunter than most of the others and the crosslet of the E doesn't merge with the top of the E.

By the way, I really appreciate your interest.

 

AG-3
I would have to say 167?
I am leaning towards 167
I dont have enough info to confirm 165, so I would say 167.
But the conditon doesnt help much eitheir, however these macros did help out alot!

 

This is a closeup of the Subject 1798 at the Triple Leaf.



This is a closeup of a reference S-167 with the Die Crack at the Triple Leaf.



I don't see evidence of the noted Die Crack. Could this be an early die state?

 

I noticed this, this morning:


Closeup of Liberty Head incused on Reverse of S-191.


This looks like the same thing to me. An Incused Head of Liberty on the reverse rather than a Die Break. Thoughts?

 

I can't see enough to even speculate.

 

Obverse flipped both Horizontally and Vertically

Obverse flipped both Horizontally and Vertically to show how an incusion would look on the reverse.





Now repeating the Reverse





If I had a program that would merge the two images together I think you can see the match of Liberties Head around the fraction, ribbon and stem and in this case, to the wreath.

 

Some of what I thought were pitting areas are also incusions from the hair ribbon.

Hub O examples of Liberty Head incusions are Reverses Late State O, S, X, EE and GG. None are exact matches, though EE has the closest match at the incusion. The Leaves at T and the berry above still do not match.

 

This is a closeup of the area at the T in Cent which is problematic with most reverses which might match:

 

Incusions

 

OK! I think I have a good Reverse candidate. What do you guys think?

Subject Coin:



This is the candidate for attribution. Sorry it's so small, but it's borrowed from The Pre Long Beach Auction of 2009 Site:



If you agree this is a match? We have a very interesting coin here.