1795 Jefferson Head large cent, but is it genuine?

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  1. BustHalfNut

    BustHalfNut Member

    I saw this turn up on Ebay for less than 24 hours by a reasonably reputable looking small time dealer, but then Ebay nuked the auction (page not found). I was really studying it hard and I just don't see how it could be anything other than a near worthless knock off maybe worth $100 to someone collecting oddball material. Large Cents can be really dangerous with the fakes out there, probably more high quality fakes than any other series. What do you all think?

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  3. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Hey Bust , Link didn't work .:arghh:
    Okay, got it now. :bookworm:
     
  4. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Not worth it in my opinion if that matters . :happy:
    Hard to even ID. Looks like it had a hard life .:hilarious:
     
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  5. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    Electro type.
     
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  6. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    @C-B-D said all that needed to be said. You can see where the faux copper coating remains in the fields of the piece.
     
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  7. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    lead copy, plating worn off
     
  8. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    While I don't claim to be a Large cent expert, I've have always been of the opinion that Jefferson Head cents (while interesting) are very crude counterfeits that became "accepted" ;);) by powerful folks in the numismatic community long before I was born. :greedy::greedy::greedy::greedy:

    This type of thing :greedy::greedy::greedy::greedy: is still going on in my lifetime. I'm all for collecting fakes but let's identify them for what they are and still charge whatever :greedy: price they bring. These are called samples made outside the mint. That's like all the other "samples" made outside the Mint. :smuggrin:
     
  9. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    I don't think they're FAKES so much as Trial Pieces by people trying to compete with or join the MINT. Private MINTs were common and any coinage produced was circulated because of a shortage of all coinage. Foreign coins were everywhere.

    They appear to have had some connection with the MINT because they had both old thick and new thin planchet stock.

    That said, fakes and electrotypes are always a concern, though this looks more like the latter.
     
  10. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Some think the Jefferson heads were patterns or demonstration pieces by Harper when he was trying to get the contract for producing cents for the government in 1795. There is evidence that pieces were made and shown to officials, and that later the dies for those pieces were recovered from Harper, but there is no definite evidence that the Jefferson Heads were the actual patterns.
     
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  11. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    I think you said it clearer than I did.

    I was thinking of a demonstration piece and calling it a pattern thinking of it as a private pattern rather than an official pattern.

    I like your term better since it's less confusing.
     
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