1794 Conder Token, Somerset, Bath DH 26, UNC

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  1. Larry Moran

    Larry Moran Numismatographer

    I took these photos tonight.


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  3. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    Beautiful token. I collect tokens but I only have a couple Conder tokens. I have maybe 60 different tokens, transit, railway, pizza parlor, etc.

    BTW-Have you noticed how much the Conder tokens have gotten to in price? I swear, just civil war and Conders have risen in price dramatically in under a year. It's amazing, wish I would have bought more but I tend to get the cheaper ones and save my coins for coins!! happy collecting...
     

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  4. hiho

    hiho off to work we go

    I have about two dozen Conder tokens and yes they do seem to be going up in price, especially in better grades.

    Beautiful photos Larry, nicely focused and extremely well lit.

    Here's one I bought recently.....

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  5. Larry Moran

    Larry Moran Numismatographer

    Wow, your photos are great and it's a token I hope to acquire someday, perhaps in similar condition to yours, which might be MS-64 or so here in the U.S. It has only some mild cabinet wear, or rubbing. It's a dandy. In Europe it would grade gEF or UNC. They are very strict graders there, especially in the U.K.

    But please, don't tell anybody that I love Pidcock tokens. LOL
     
  6. Larry Moran

    Larry Moran Numismatographer

    Pidcock's Exhibition, London

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  9. conderluva

    conderluva Junior Member

    :thumb:Very nice. Really good detail on the tree...it is definitely one of the best struck examples of that halfpenny I've ever seen. Congrats on that one!

     
  10. Moonshadow

    Moonshadow Member

    Nice tokens everyone! Thanks for starting this thread Larry.
    Here is one of mine, struck in a time when whaling was legal. Imagine that.
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  11. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    These tokens are amazing!! I'm gonna have to branch out a bit which will fit in nicely when I upgrade my coin collection a bit. I love the two header and the whale fishery one. Yeah the Pidcock's in general are really great looking! Hi ya Moonshadow, good to see your name around. :smile
     
  12. hiho

    hiho off to work we go

    Beautiful. I almost won that one on eBay but it went for big money.

    I'm trying to assemble a Pidcock's collection but I fear my pockets aren't deep enough, at least with another kid in college.
     
  13. Duke Kavanaugh

    Duke Kavanaugh The Big Coin Hunter

    I love conders...they are so nice. But so many different ones too which is good and bad.
    You can keep collecting and not repeat easly but if you want a complete set...g/l
     
  14. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    This one may not be a Conder but I like the wreath.
     

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  15. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    Here is one of the few Conder tokens from my collection. Conder101 provided the following description:

    City of Norwich in the county of Norfolk England Dalton and Hamer #14, a, b, or c Depending on the edge inscription. It is a Genuine Trade Token issued by N Bolingbroke who was a Haberdasher or a dealer in mens clothing. The dies were engraved by Thomas Wyon Sr of Birmingham in Warwickshire. Thomas was a member of the extensive Wyon family of artists and engravers. The tokens were manufactured by Peter Kempson, also of Birmingham who was a major producer of tokens for many people. A total of one and a half tons of tokens were produced or 155,000 tokens comprising three different die varieties (14, 15, and 16) all of which are of roughly equal rarity so you can estimate a mintage of roughly 50,000 tokens or 104 British pounds face value. (Which cost him 72 pounds)

    The D&H 14 has an edge inscription of PAYABLE AT N BOLINGBROKES HABERDASHER &C NORWICH .X. This token is common.

    14a edge says PAYABLE AT P DECKS POST OFFICE BURY (Bury was in Suffolk)
    14b edge says IOHN HARVEY OF NORWICH (the use of I for J was common on Conder tokens.)
    14c edge is plain.
    All three of these subvarieties are extremely rare. The Decks and Harvey edges are from planchets produced for two other clients of Kempson's As mentioned P Deck rana post office in Suffolk county, and John Harvey was a weaver and maker of cloth in Norwich. It is possible that some of Harveys cloth was used to make the clothing that Bolingbroke sold.

    ....The castle and lion is the coat of arms for the city of Norwich, while the shield and batons on the reverse is the arms of the county of Norfolk.

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  16. Larry Moran

    Larry Moran Numismatographer

    Don't worry, Duke, nobody will ever have a complete collection of Conder Tokens. ; )
    Too many are unique or only had a few examples struck.

    Those are nice tokens, Collector89. : )

    Here are two more Conder Tokens, from Suffolk. One is an uncirculated penny, the other is a circulated halfpenny.


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  17. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    This is my newest Conder which I picked-up 2 weeks ago.

    It is from 1794. On one side it has a castle & motto “For Change Not Fraud - Bridgewater Halfpenny”. On the other side, it says “I Holloway and Son - Drapers Post & Office” and there is marking on the edge.


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  18. Moonshadow

    Moonshadow Member

    Here is another...this thread is so cool! It's fun learning who all the Conder collectors are. :hail:

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  19. Duke Kavanaugh

    Duke Kavanaugh The Big Coin Hunter

    That penny and half penny...look the same diameter but half the thickness. Is that correct?
     
  20. Larry Moran

    Larry Moran Numismatographer

    Actually, Duke, the penny, or double token is a tad larger, but by only an small amount. Notice that all of the lettering fits more comfortably on the double token, the one penny token.

    But the double token is almost certainly twice the weight of the halfpenny.
     
  21. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    Both the uncirculated-double-token & the circulated-single-token say "half penny".
     
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