1787 Machin's Mills Contemporary Counterfeit Halfpence

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  1. CheetahCats

    CheetahCats Colonial & Early American

    Folks -

    As titled, pictured please find a specimen that I recently acquired for my collection. I have attributed it to the Vlack 19-87C variety.

    Pursuant to Vlack, specific coinage of this specimen can be credited to Machin's Mills, as well as its dies were prepared by James Atlee while he was associated with the Machin's Mills mint.

    What makes this particular specimen variety unique is that there is no stop after GEORGIVS, as well as a die break that connects the "V' with the end of the "S". Also, most notably in my opinion, the Roman numeral III is offset and the third I is noticeably higher than the other two I's. The bust itself is notable for its puckered appearance, and large almond eyes.

    Attribution for this specimen is made much easier by the fact that only one reverse die is associated with it. The reverse is distinguishable in that the branch that Brittania is holding points between "T" and "A". Brittania's pole is center-lined to the right of the first "7". The "8" noticeably leans to the right, and the last seven in comparison is bigger and larger.

    Interestingly, this same reverse, in late die state, is also attributed to the Vermont Ryder-13 coinage variety. (I also have an example of in my collection.)

    Though I have concerns about its surfaces, I am pleased that much of its details have remained. Utilizing comparisons with auction archives at Heritage and Stack's, I believe it to be in the VF-30ish range.

    Input and comments appreciated; most especially concerning thoughts about details and grade :)

    Thanks, kindly

    - CheetahCats

    Vlack 19-87C Specimen
    URS-11 (500-999 Known)

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  3. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Very nice piece.

    I have a few pieces, somewhere, but, commonly the date is very poor.

    Yours is excellent.
     
  4. vnickels

    vnickels Matt Draiss Numismatics & Galleries

    Live not far from Manchin's Mills but I have never been there.
     
  5. CheetahCats

    CheetahCats Colonial & Early American

    Thanks. I was pleasantly surprised at the final bid I was able to get the specimen for too :D
     
  6. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Nice addition. Rough, but good details. Very nice.
     
  7. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Contemporary Counterfeits are really special to me. It's cool they can credit it to the maker.
    Did they actually get caught or was it discovered much later?
     
  8. CheetahCats

    CheetahCats Colonial & Early American

    This specimen arrived the other day. I have attached better photos of the specimen. After examining the planchet first hand, I believe that it is much less porous than what it appears in the auction photo, as attached in the initial post. Only the local area around GEORGIVS shows distinct porosity. The remainder of the "coloration" in the fields is exactly that... blotchy coloration :thumb:

    1787-Vlack19_87C-Obverse (In-hand).jpg 1787-Vlack19_87C-Reverse (In-hand).jpg
     
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