$ 10 Dollar Gold Indian- What would you grade it at?

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  1. Marc Aldrich

    Marc Aldrich Member

    Hi All, looking for your opinions on this one. I am considering purchasing it, but I need a grade to give me a better idea of what I would pay for it.

    I would appreciate your insights!
    Thanks in advance. 10 Dollar Indian.jpg 10 Dollar Indian(2).jpg
     
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  3. Dougmeister

    Dougmeister Well-Known Member

    I've never studied this type, but off the top of my head:

    * What's with the black line under her chin? That's gonna hurt.
    * I see quite a few scratches on the obverse
    * Dirt inside the mint mark on the reverse may indicate an old cleaning? (experts?)
    * Possible rubs in the reverse fields?
    * I think I see wear in the feathers (obverse and reverse)

    I'm gonna guess VF30/EF40 but will defer to those who know the series better.

    I realize that you may be in a coin shop, etc., but better lighting and a straight-on shot would help (the top of both of your pics seems to be a bit out of focus)
     
  4. Marc Aldrich

    Marc Aldrich Member

    Thanks for your response. This coin is from an online auction, so i do not know what the black mark is under the chin. I tend to agree that the blemishes on the obverse are significant. I was going to say EF40 also. I was hoping for AU
     
  5. Santinidollar

    Santinidollar Supporter! Supporter

    Based on Doug's sharp-eyed analysis, I think I would pass on this one.
     
  6. Dougmeister

    Dougmeister Well-Known Member

    I would never buy online with sub-par pictures such as these.

    My eyes aren't as sharp as many others here (thanks, @Santinidollar !), but I don't see any luster, so I think AU is out of the question. (I'm happy to be corrected, though!)

    $10 Indians are not that hard to find (IMHO) as opposed to some other U.S. types, so as Santini said, keep looking.
     
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  7. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    I think it could grade anywhere from XF details to AU55, so it's a gamble. Why do you want to buy a raw gold coin? Because it's cheap? And why is it cheap...? Just sayin'.
     
  8. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

  9. Johndoe2000$

    Johndoe2000$ Well-Known Member

    I'd be more worried about authenticity, than the grade, with these pics. JMO
     
  10. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    The coin looks to be real. I wouldn't doubt that. Grade-wise, I wonder what the OP was expecting.
     
  11. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    The coin retains AU details, but lacks sufficient luster to attain that grade. Those two facts taken together lead me to believe the coin is cleaned.
     
  12. Burton Strauss III

    Burton Strauss III Brother can you spare a trime? Supporter

    That's an NTC slab - they're the only ones I know who use the green insert. I'll bet cash the real grade is anything except what it's marked.
     
  13. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Good catch. That merely reinforces @ToughCOINS' impression of the coin, and we'll figure the coin for a typical "NYC ignored the cleaning" 55-58.

    Of all the basement slabbers, I despise NTC the most. He could have made a strong living as a legit numismatist and dealer, and chose the Dark Side.
     
  14. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    I see plenty of luster. The harsh angle and poor lighting make it difficult to make out. That does not mean that it has not been cleaned, though.

    IMG_0596.JPG IMG_0597.JPG
     
  15. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    Are you sure the insert is green? It looks pretty white on my screen.
     
  16. mill rat41

    mill rat41 Member

    I would reckon Au55 - if problem free.
     
  17. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    I never noticed her teeth before.

    I take it back, they are really there
     
  18. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    That mark under the chin is a major distraction for me.
     
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  19. JBOCON

    JBOCON Well-Known Member

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