09 vdb matte proof?

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look close

 

Looking close, the edge really looks rounded.

 

on these pics kinda do but in hand they are crisp corners hell the thing will stand up on its own too.

 

So will practically any coin. Take a shot edge-on of the coin.

 

I will do that when i get home

 

Good luck

 

The inside edges are not 90º sharp they are beveled.
This coin has plenty of detail that if it were a proof the diagnostics would be visible. Try to get some larger photos so we can blow them out and look for the markers.

 

It just doest "pop" to me. I will give an uneducated no.

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Check the couple that are on ebay that are matte proof one has no die line from shoulder to the r or the cresent but is graded as a matte proof.

 

Can you provide links? I only see one for sale and it has both.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-VDB-1C...912565?hash=item2a6ccba7f5:g:D~0AAOSwSv1XkR5j

 

The inner rim on the matte proof has very sharp edges as it drops off into the concave field. And, for suspected proofs, I like to look at the smallest details and see how well they pop. As you can see from matte proof examples, the "V.D.B." is sharp and very well defined.

Maybe it's just the lighting and angle, but it doesn't seem to match those features on yours. Usually a head on photo should suffice. For me, I like to open up both photos to as large as possible, overlap the two images, and quickly switch back and forth repeatedly; or, put the two images side by side to compare. You should then be able to clearly see any differences between yours and a known matte proof example.

 

No.

 

You must be talking about the coin being sold by juliancoin. His opinion is that this business strike coin is a proof, though it is graded MS by PCGS. It might be, but it is impossible to see any markers with the photos he has posted. If it were an MPL the price would be closer to $15k than $2k.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-VDB-Li...102373?hash=item2efee7d725:g:4U4AAOSwLVZV5zaq

 

Wow that's a really nicely struck coin. There must be some proof diagnostics that the TPGs are looking at, which should be carefully looked at on any 1909 VDB.

And, that's funny, I'm considering a coin purchase from Julian right now, which he suspects to be better than graded lol. He has quite a few coins he disagrees with TPGs on, as being either under-graded or proof strikes. Though, I think he cherry picks his finds very well, and looking at his examples, they're pretty good and hard to tell without a very closeup examination, just like that 1909 VDB coin you mention.

 

The field isn't concave on the MPL, but it is on the MS.

 

Not even close...keep dreaming.

 

Maybe not as concave? There looks to be some concavity, esp. in that last image.

 

You do have a good point. I suppose what I mean to say is that the rim itself stays straight at 90º where it hits the field. The MS coin's rim doesn't, it curves or bends to the field.