ஃபணம் பணம்

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  1. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

    In Tamil, பணம் is pronounced as "panam" which means money. Tamil doesn't have an English equivalent of F, so ப doubles up as either a p sound or an f sound (note that ப is also used for the letter B!). Hence, பணம் was also used to indicate "fanam". In modern Tamil, you can use ஃ to soften ப to represent the letter F. So, ஃபணம் பணம் is literally "fanam panam" or "fanam money".

    Been going through my older collection this weekend photographing things I haven't seen in 5 years or so. Among them is a collection of fanams. Here is one that you normally don't see, a Western Gangas fanam. For comparison of size, I also took a picture of a multiple dirham. The interesting thing about this fanam, is that it has a test cut on this tiny little coin! Can't imagine how someone would have cut this without injuring themselves, its that tiny.

    I'll try to add some more of the fanams to this thread as I get the attributions done. In the meantime, go ahead and add your ஃபணம் பணம்!

    Western Gangas: Anonymous (ca. 1000-1327) AV Fanam (MNI 703; MSI 195-96)

    Obv: Caparisoned elephant standing right
    Rev: Ornamental floral scroll

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  3. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    Very cool coins. Out of curiosity, what are the diameters of them?
     
  4. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

    Should have taken the dimensions :rolleyes:. The fanam is about 4-6mm and the multiple dirham should be about 45-49mm.
     
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  5. Caesar_Augustus

    Caesar_Augustus Well-Known Member

    Wow! So cool. Pretty tiny though. Don't lose it! :p
     
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  6. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

    Had to photograph it using a Poland Springs bottle cap! Couldn't position it properly, so used the cap to rotate the coin. Its too small to handle and hence, I don't understand why anyone would take the time to test cut a coin like this. Imagine doing this for a bag of 100 coins or so! Here is another fanam that I was photographing using the same bottle cap:

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  7. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    I would lose it :(
     
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  8. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Today I learned there are such things as multiple dirhams. (Well, it's not my bailiwick after all.) Great coins and a great photo! A+ :snaphappy:
     
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  9. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky

    interesting designs on both coins.
     
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  10. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

    In the second coin, its an abstract design representing Kali. My copy of Herrli is in storage, which goes into these coin types in detail. I'll dig it out when I start posting the other fanams...
     
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  11. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Hmmm...multiple dirhems - didn't know they existed. Thanks
     
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  12. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

    Maybe I should start another thread on multiple dirhams as I have several different types!
     
  13. Ed Snible

    Ed Snible Well-Known Member

    Wow, eight hours and no one has posted another fanam?

    The identification below is mostly a guess; I don't have Herrli and there aren't any online fanam databases I know of. I uploaded my example to Zeno and it is the only one.

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    Ghorpades of Gooty. Ramdurg. Gold Fanam, 0.36g, 4mm
    Obv: Cobra snake
    Rev: nagari inscription "ShriRam Durg"
    Herrli 14.10. Wig-Ma T3.
    Note: These coins were stuck by both Polygar rulers of Kodikonda and later by Hyder Ali and the Marathas. Also known as Soobaroye fanam.
    Note: Identified in Maheshwari-Wiggins as a coin of Kodikonda mint but now attributed to Ramdurg. Kodikonda is in Anantapur dristrict of Andra Pradesh.
    See this worldofcoins.eu post
     
  14. dadams

    dadams Well-Known Member

    Crazy on that test cut - thanks for the language lesson. I tried figuring out some Brahmi script on a Damajadasri III of the Western Kshatrapas but didn't get very far so I'm sure Tamil is just as far out of my comfort zone.

    Got this as part of a trade with @lordmarcovan a while back and I just now took it out of its Mylar 2x2 that was taped up so it wouldn't go MIA. Our assumption was this is a fantasy fanham.

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  15. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I have a fanam from Mysore, but it's much more modern, dated AH 1200 (ca. 1785-86 AD), from the reign of the famous Tipu Sultan.

    PCGS gave it an MS62 grade. It looks like a speck in the holder, which I presently lack a picture of. It appears they got the dated side upside-down in the TrueView image.

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  16. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Here's the one that @dadams posted, as seen on my fingertip. As mentioned, I suspect this is a relatively modern fantasy issue, but with the little elephant and the pretty, hot pink toning, it's fun.

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  17. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    OMG! Does it hurt? Is it infected??? Hope you are ok! :)
    (Sorry, just HAD to harass you...)

    No fanum... this is close, but is twice as big:

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    Carthage - Zeugitana AV 1-10th Stater-Shekel 350-320 BCE 0.94g 7.5mm Palm- Horse Head SNG COP 132
     
  18. panzerman

    panzerman Well-Known Member

    I love those little AV Fanams. I have 1/4 Fanams from Western Gangas/ Kadambas of Hangal/ Mughal Empire.....
     
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  19. Finn235

    Finn235 Well-Known Member

    I have a modest collection of the most common fanam types, but not many imaged. Far from ancient or even medieval, one of my smallest (5mm) and prettiest is from the early 1800s

    Kingdom of Mysore,
    Krishnaraja Wodeyar III
    Obv: Lion head avatar of Vishnu
    Rev: Garbled legend
    Mysore Krishnaraja wodeyar III fanam.jpg

    I'm still up in the air on these, but I have a half dozen purported "fractional fanams" at 2mm and so small they only register on my scale as 0.6 grain, so under 0.04g. I have heard it said with equal conviction that these are genuine medieval coins, and that they are modern fantasy issues produced just a few years ago. 2018-05-24 14.56.50.jpg
     
  20. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky

    thank you for putting the dime in there for size comparison.
     
  21. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Feels fine.

    Trade ya! ;)
     
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