Æ Dupondius... Maximinus or AP

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  1. Colby J.

    Colby J. Well-Known Member

    Having trouble identifying this Dupondius. There is heavy green patina, and the wear is immeasurable. I have narrowed it down to Maximinus or Antoninus Pius. I notices the reverse has two standards, so maybe that's significant.

    The best legend I can get is *INVSAVG*/*TRP*SC. If it were Maximinus it would read: MAXIMINVS AVG, and if it were A Pi it would be ANTONINVS PIVS AVG. You guys see why I can't ID this one. It just frustrates me so much it's funny. Anyway, any help would be greatly appreciated.
    So I have some links that could be my coin, but I'm sure I'm on the right track:

    FOR MAX: http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.4.max_i.31

    FOR A PI: http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.3.ant.949
    (Now I know for this one he's radiate, but it matches the design)

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    And by the way, it could be tons of other emperors like Commodus, Marcus Aurelius, Maximus, etc. I just fit the design on the reverse that matches A Pi and Max.

    And I just learned this fun fact while researching: Did you know Maximinus was 8 feet tall? I mean, he could be on the Roman Basketball team or something? No wonder he was so popular with the people.
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  3. Paul M.

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    That portrait looks like A-P to me.
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  4. Roman Collector

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    Antoninus Pius by the portrait. Let me work on it a little.
  5. Colby J.

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    Thats what I thought, its just the ratiate bust on Numis.. with A Pi trips me out. Because of that, It could be anything from the inscription that's left.
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  6. Bing

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    I agree
  7. Roman Collector

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    It looks like a figure standing front, holding two military standards, one in each hand.

    That would suggest Fides (Militum). There is a dupondius, BMC 2003 bis, ANTONINVS AVG PIVS P P IMP II radiate head, r.//TR POT XIX COS IIII S C, Fides standing front, head left, holding standard in each hand.

    There are also dupondii of Marcus Aurelius with the same reverse type, but all with radiate busts.

    What's the weight and diameter of your coin? Could it be a sestertius? For example:

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  8. Colby J.

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    Weight: 14 grams
    Diameter: 25.4 mm

    Definitely not a sestertius :) But that's interesting, I've done some more research and I think it could be provincial. Buts that's unlikely.
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  10. Roman Collector

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    Definitely not. It would have to be an as -- I think I see reddish copper through the patina and it has a laureate bust.

    I can't unsee Fides, though. I need to consider other reverse types.
  11. Colby J.

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    To me, its Fides, but it could be Fortuna..For the A Pi dupondius, the diameter is 25 mm. So we can still consider the dupondius a possibility. Again, maybe an Æ? Could that be possible

  12. Roman Collector

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    I FOUND IT!!!!! See CNG electronic auction 186, lot 188, April 16, 2008.


    Described as:

    Antoninus Pius. AD 138-161. Æ As (25mm, 10.00 g). Rome mint. Struck AD 156. Laureate head right / Fides standing left, holding standard in each hand. RIC III -; BMCRE -; Cohen -. Good VF, dark green patina, minor smoothing in fields. Reverse type for this issue and denomination unpublished in the major references.
  13. Colby J.

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    Awesome! Thats it! I didn't even think to look for it on auctions. Best answer for you. Thanks for all your help! :) :) ;) ;)
  14. Colby J.

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    how much did it sell for I can't find a price
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  16. Marsyas Mike

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    Well, I could be wrong, but I think I have another "not in RIC" example of the OP. It came in a very cruddy lot of AEs I'm working on, and I am having trouble coming up with any other solution. I found this thread while researching it, and the fine detective work by @Roman Collector (thanks, RC).

    Not much legend left, but there is an "X" visible on the reverse (to the left of Fides's head), but I may be fooling myself about this. OCRE does not list any Fides types for Antoninus Pius in the as denomination.

    Like I said, "very cruddy" - and this is one of the better ones from the lot! So tentatively there are three of these out there - the OP, CNG's and this one. Any other opinions or options greatly appreciated. :)

    Antoninus Pius - As Fides 2 Standards lot May 2022 (0).jpg
    Antoninus Pius Æ As
    (155-156 A.D.)
    Rome Mint

    [ANTO]NINVS AVG [PIVS P P IMP II], laureate head right / [TR POT XI]X COS III, S C, Fides Exercitus, standing left, holding two standards
    Not in RIC; similar to RIC III 943a (sest.) / 951 (dupondius) See notes.
    (8.28 grams / 24 x 23 mm)
    eBay May 2022
    Attribution Notes: No Fides types for as denomination in OCRE. "Reverse type for this issue and denomination unpublished in the major references."
    CNG Electronic Auction 186, Lot 188, 16.04.2008

    See also Coin Talk member Colby J example, 10/22/19
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