Genuine or Counterfeit?

I am no expert counterfeits ... however something about this coin just doesnt look right to me.
Maybe it's that the seller specifies "No Returns".
Perhaps it might have been cleaned a long time ago?
Or maybe it's that I so rarely see these dollars!

What do you all think? Genuine or Counterfeit?




http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120621205673&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123

 

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It looks fine to me! The grade fits as well! Not my series, but I think it's real!!

 

I'm no expert on these, but to me the date looks different than these specimens. For one thing, its placement is different under Liberty's bust.

Suspect (Courtesy of ebay):


Genuine (Courtesy of Coin Page): http://www.coinpage.com/coin-image-6404.html



Genuine (Courtesy of Heritage Auctions): http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=454&Lot_No=1321

 

wow ... good catch!

 

No problem. Upon first glance the specimen just looked a bit 'off' to me.

Also, IMO the PCGS blue label looked a bit 'off' on the slab too...

Note too that for the known specimens I posted, the top of Liberty's head apexes underneath 'ER' in LIBERTY; while in the ebay specimen, it apexes underneath 'BE'.

All of that said, someone more experienced in possible varieties should chime-in before I'd recommend making a final conclusion about the specimen up for bid. If it were me, I'd refrain from bidding until I got that second opinion.

 

i dont plan on bidding ... i am just trying to improve my counterfeit detecting skills by having people chime in on suspect coins.

 

It looks genuine to me. I did not look at the auction real close, but everything looks okay on the coin. As for placement of the date - they were not always in the same place and at times that can be one of the diagnostics on the variety. In this case I would have to attribute the coin - then check examples off heritage. So I say genuine. The second example that cheetah posted is a different variety - look at the curl and the first star.

 

It's a real one. I'll attribute the die pair when I get to work here in a bit.

 

I'll go with LD on this one .

 

Hey thanks for all the info! It's always good to improve ones knowledge base.

 

It looks genuine to me, as well.

 

?you can't just make a couple of comparisons with these coins and decide it's bad because it doesn't match the ones you looked at. There are 19 different obv dies for his coin, each of which has had the date digits stars and letter all punch into the die individually by hand. The date wanders a fair amount. On this one note how the point of the bust fits way down into the star, and on the reverse it has seven berries on the left branch and nine on the right. Those features are unique to those two dies. (Obv 7 comes close but the point of bust is not a deeply placed, and the first star on left does not completely pierce the curl.)

This one is obv 18 rev V, O-131, an R-4 coin.

Here are images of an O-131 from Coinfacts

 

wow ... that's a nice example you dug up! nice rim toning

 

Thanks Conder,

I have been trying to get to this coin today... but it has been pretty hectic around the shop with the markets today.

 

If you mean the coinfacts picture, I'd rather have WingLiberty's coin I don't find the Coinfacts piece attractive but I do like the coloration on the OP coin.