I discovered this today. A 1787 Fugio Cent with an obverse imprint under the reverse design! Comments please. The color of the print isn't too good, but you can clearly see the design.
I agree with that assessment. It looks like a die clash to me as well. Have you attributed the die pairing yet?
No, I haven't attributed the die pairing. Not sure how to go about that. Any suggestions as to resources?
You can attribute the specimen using the Whitman Encyclopedia of Colonial and Early American Coins. It can be found at Amazon, among many other places. http://www.amazon.com/Whitman-Encyclopedia-Colonial-Early-American/dp/0794825419 There were errors to the book, and corrections can be found at: http://www.coinraritiesonline.com/i...mmentary&PHPSESSID=032g2jspolh89odns4d7mb33v5
and all the details are under the dsign, without any effect on the original design? still considering. Not convinced.
Treashunt A die clash would effect the highest points on the die which are the fields. it is common for a die clash to only effect the fields of a coin. only the strongest of clashes will effect the other details. Richard
For a split minute, I was thinking the same thing as Treashunt suggested. But then, picturing the mechanics in my minds eye, the deepest areas of the specimen are the highest points on the dies, thus, would be the areas [most] affected by a die clash - as this specimen suggests. And, also, IMO the negative cinquefoil at reverse 2 o'clock confirms this.
They come heavily clashed and look very cool. I like the on where the sun adn rays are on the reverse like the one pictured above. Looks like a pair of sunglasses staring at you.
Thank you for your comments! I need to do a little research, because I'm curious as to how the clash design could be under the rings but not on the tops of the rings also. Thank you, CheetahCats, for the reference to the Whitman Encyclopedia.
Based on the Reverse in the OP, you have a Newman 17-I or 21-I (W-6930 or W-7010). It can be found in the Whitman Encyclopedia of Colonial and American Coins, pgs.214, 220, 221, Q. David Bowers, (c)2009. The 17-I is classified as URS-4, the 21-I is classified as URS-7. Please post a clear and higher res image of the Obverse of the specimen. I'd like to determine whether it's a Newman 17 or 21. If your specimen happens to be a 17-I, it is extremely valuable. (ex. Stacks, 9/2005, NGC-VF-25, US $18,400) Thanks.
Nice coin, did they not also make some of these from foreign coins, maybe that would necessitate a double strike to attempt to obliterate all traces of the original design, and that would make clashed dies more possible.
You're welcome. You have a Newman 21-I, based on the position of the first 'S' in BUSINESS, under the 'D' in MIND. The 'S' is slightly to the left-center of 'D'. In Newman 17, the 'S' is more center-lined under 'D'. Newman 21-I URS-7 (33-64 specimens known to exist) In Whitman Encyclopedia of Colonial and American Coins, it lists the following grades and US dollar values: VG-8: $475 F-12: $900 VF-20: $1750 EF-40: $4000
Thank you, again. One more question: Which certification firm would you use? I need to have quite a few coins graded/certified, and I'd like your thoughts, if you don't mind.
