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Middlesex, Spence DH 754

This is Middlesex DH 754, a Thomas Spence halfpenny token.
It is rated RR, with fewer than 30 examples struck
Condition is AU-UNC, or gEF in the U.K.

On its obverse is a dog, on the reverse Cain is slaying Abel.

Its lettered edge reads: x SPENCE x DEALER x IN x COINS x LONDON








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Why would they go to the trouble of making a die and only making 30 of the coins?
Seems like a big waste of a die.

 

Gosh, Duke...

There are a few possibilities that I can think of:

• Perhaps the die cracked or shattered and was destroyed

• Perhaps these tokens were meant to be a special item primarily for collectors, which was not uncommon,
but such pieces can be classified differently, and would fall also into the realm of 'medals.'
Many Conder Tokens were actually medals in fact.
There are examples of this token which have obviously circulated, hence the group are considered 'tokens,'
used in the place of official regal coinage, which was unavailable.

• Perhaps the die was lost or stolen

• Perhaps we'll never know. ; )

• Perhaps you can add to the list of possibilities. : )

 

Here is a medal that describes advances in number of coins, I believe one penny 'cartwheel' coins, struck by a high-speed steam-powered coin press at Matthew Boulton's Soho Mint. I can't read French but will try to determine just what the lettering spells out. Perhaps somebody here can read and translate the French for us. : )

The photographs were taken by Eric Holcomb. I did the composition here this morning. The medal is not for sale.





There can be no doubt that Matthew Boulton was the father of modern high-speed coining.

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Some of the dies were used to mule other tokens, so perhaps Lary's particular paring has only a few, but there were other parings using both the obv and rev of this one separately:

This Conder dog and cat is also quite rare:

 

And here are some of my recent arrivals (well not as much recent arrivals as recent photographs!!)....

 

Norfolk, Wroxham DH-1 • Threepence

Here's a scarce to rare Conder Token, unusual because of its threepence denomination.
This raw example in the Gem range may be among the finest known.
I don't have enough experience with this issue to know for sure, but I have not seen better. I'd love to see any other examples of this issue. : )

Though quite large, it still fits in a 2x2 envelope with cotton liner. : )

 

I finally got my Stack's Conder Tokens photographed (by Todd, of course)!!! I especially love the bull and toucan, and the cricket is pretty cute too!







Middlesex/Spence's (D& H 904):

 

Wow!

 

Somerset Bath 75

I've been wondering about the inscription on this Bath token.

"Open to people of all countries. Bath alone excepted."

Locals not welcome? Perhaps they had their own hospital/clinic. Does anyone know the background?

 

Another Spence Pigsmeat token

That's a nice Conder Token, yarm -- in nice photos. : )

I'm only guessing, but perhaps the citizens of Bath refused to support a referendum, or similar levy,
or voluntary support of the General Hospital when it was constructed, or withdrew their support of
the hospital sometime before your token was designed.

It's a curiosity for sure.

I picked up another Thomas Spence Conder Token or two. Here's the first, my second Pigs Meat Token. I suppose it's roughly aEF there and commercial EF here. It shows some red, perhaps 5%, and satin luster around central reverse lettering. While exceptionally free of problems, it does show evidence of some depressions in the fields near the top of the reverse die.

Do you have a token of this variety to compare to this one? It's a Middlesex, Spence DH 842b.









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Yarm, have you read R. C. Bell's description of this token in his book "The Building Medalets of Kempson and Skidmore 1796-1797"?

 

"Yarm, have you read R. C. Bell's description of this token in his book "The Building Medalets of Kempson and Skidmore 1796-1797"?"

No, I don't have that one yet.

 

Portsmouth Iohn howard halfpenny token 1795.

DH 57b.Edge inscribed "CURRENT EVERY WHERE".Diameter of 28mm.

 

have a few, but the grades i see here. I am dumb founded . love all:thumb: just keep posting as i am enjoying it:hail: . thank you all those that has posted pics

 

Here's a few Conders tokens with similar designs but in different metals (copper, gilt copper and silver). They do double duty as variations of British Historical Medal #311 as well.

 

IS anyone planning to bid in the DNW sale Oct 6th on Part II of the Robbie Brown collection?

 

I'll be bidding on less than 10 lots, all from Brown's Conders. Nevertheless, I'm hoping that the-saleroom.com covers the auction so I can get up in the middle of the night and follow along!

yarm

 

No cash available for me to bid! Good luck to you guys.