GSA Morgan Question.

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by bqcoins, May 1, 2009.

  1. bqcoins

    bqcoins Olympic Figure Skating Scoring System Expert

    How often do you come across GSA morgans? They seem to be less and less frequent here where I am unless you know the proper people. I was wondering in perhaps the available supply is being purchased up by collectors to disappear for another 2 decades into collections. I also thinking of stocking away a few if this was the case. How much premium is there on the average CC coins?
     
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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    At any coin show I attend there never seems to be any shortage of them, recently or otherwise. Availability has always remained pretty much constant. Now they may appear to be somewhat less available in specific areas at specific times, but that is to be expected as GSA's, like any other coin, move from dealer to dealer. But overall, there are plenty out there.

    As for premiums, only collectors who wish to specifically have the original GSA holder will pay any premium over a similar coin not in a GSA holder. Few if any others ever will. As for what that premium is, it all depends on the collector buying them. Some may pay as little as 5% more - others may pay 25-30% more. Personally, I would never a dime more.
     
  4. raider34

    raider34 Active Member

    I just checked eBay quick, looks like there's around 300 in GSA cases up for sale right now. So there's still a lot of them out there. IMO I don't really think a GSA graded Morgan has any premium over a Morgan with the same grade that's not in a GSA holder.
     
  5. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    Occassionally I will look through a collection for someone (especially if they have inherited it and don't know what they have) and let them know if they have anything really special or valuable. It's a good way to see more coins and hone my grading and counterfeit detection skills.

    The other day I looked at part of a collection a woman had inherited from her father. Most of the coins were junk silver and so forth but she did have a 1908 St Gaudens (No Motto) in EF-45 and 8 GSAs. Most of the GSAs were MS-63 but a couple would probably go 64. I'm not sure what she plans to do with the coins but if she wants to sell I may make an offer on the Saint and the GSAs.
     
  6. rld14

    rld14 Custom User Title

    For the most part, these are VERY common (82-84s).
     
  7. Windsor4

    Windsor4 Junior Member

    Hey folks, I've been searching for a answer to my GSA COA question and found this thread.
    Hope you can help.

    I know what COAs were issued with the GSAs and how to question when something doesn't look right or the COA does not belong with the GSA case/coin. But, how do you tell if the COA is authentic???? Someone told me the blue seal on the front of the COA should be encircled by a somewhat dotted line vs a solid blue line.

    Can anyone help on this? I suspect the COAs can be easily copied on a color printer or scanner.

    Thanks in advance,

    Jim
     
  8. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Every year at the FUN Show here in Florida, there are thousands of GSA CC Morgans. As was already mentioned, the most common are the 1882-CC, 1883-CC & 1884-CC. The 1880-CC & 1881-CC are also readily available, but the 1880-CC Reverse of 78 is a little harder to find. The 1885-CC is a little scarcer but can be found with minimal work despite its mintage of 228,000. The one that I don't often see at FUN is the 1878-CC, but maybe that is because it has a reasonable pricetag and CC collectors are quick to snag them.

    Chris
     
  9. ML94539

    ML94539 Senior Member

    Most of the time people don't pay much to COA unless it's a rare CC. I believe COA have unique serial number on them, at least the COA that come with the boxed ones.
     
  10. Duke Kavanaugh

    Duke Kavanaugh The Big Coin Hunter

    They do have a unique number and I believe it's the first two digits that are the last two of the date. So say the COA # is 8453356 then that would be a 1884 CC.
     
  11. Windsor4

    Windsor4 Junior Member

    Sorry, Let Me Clarify

    What about authenticating the actual COA (Certificate of Authenticity).

    I've heard there are replicas of the COA that can be produced easy enough on a good color copier or scanner. Are there tell tale indicators on the COA such as on the blue seal that adorns the center of the paper....

    thanks again



     
  12. ML94539

    ML94539 Senior Member

    Personally I think people are buying the GSA morgans on how the coins look, not whether the COA is authentic or not.
     
  13. ahearn

    ahearn Member

    I just attended a coin show this weekend and about every other vendor had CC Morgans in GSA holders -- hundreds of them. Prices seemed to be about par with those not in holders. However, I just can't get excited about them due to the terrible bag marks that are so common on them. I would rather have a nice AU without the marks.
     
  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    There probably are replica COA's. As for authenticating one, about the only way I kno wof would be to compare the one you question side by side with one you know is real. The paper stock & the ink colors would be bound to be slightly different on fakes.
     
  15. willieboyd2

    willieboyd2 First Class Poster

    Some GSA Carson City dollars came with notes which did not have serial numbers:

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  16. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    That's true, willie and I've always wondered why some would while others would not but then I remember it's the US Government in the 1970s and just laugh it off. :)
     
  17. RedTiger

    RedTiger Member

    GSAs are available at every decent size coin show. The more common dates don't have much if any premium in the black holder. Certain dates, such as the 1878 CC, and a few others do trade for more in the government holder. Non-CC common date GSAs, tend to trade for a premium in the holder, over what the coin itself might be worth. As with most prices, recent online auction results can give a good idea of the range.
     
  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    The reason those cards don't have serial numbers is explained right on the card - at the bottom.
     
  19. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    I don't have one of the number-less cards, Doug, nor do I have access to any.

    Are you referring to the statement about having heavy scratches or tarnish that I see in willieboyd's post?
     
  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yes I am. They only put the cards with serial numbers with the coins they condsidered to be uncirculated. Those they considered to be circulated got the unnumbered cards. The holders were all labeled differently as well.
     
  21. mikenoodle

    mikenoodle The Village Idiot Supporter

    so, where mine says Uncirculated Carson City Silver Dollar those just say Carson City Silver Dollar?
     
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