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Sounds like the same fad as technology - what's new and impressive nowadays will only be worth its recyclable parts in 10 years.

 

I'm not sure about you guys... but I'd much prefer brown to the cleaned "pink" look.

 

Yeah ok I'll confess, I am like that sometimes... like when the front door is painted red.

 

naaaaaa Purple is the new red!




Right outa the psychedelic 50's????? Trippy!

AT or NT?

 

Thad, I think that this product will eventually kill all your products. Being associated as a "coin dotor" in this hobby is enough to gurantee people are going to be upset at you, not to mention, it guarantees somewhere a coin newbie will spend hard earned money on a damaged coin without knowing it. I'm in agreeance with others when I say "don't produce this product". And IMO, you're lucky you showed this here instead of CU. This is a horrible turn in the hobby, and a negative direction for your Verdi-Products.
I have always been interested in your Verdi-gone product, as that deals with conservation... this on the other hand... makes me not want to buy any of those products.
It's the truth Thad. I like you, I think you're a great forum member, but PLEASE do the hobby a favor and DON'T continue with experimenting this product.
It baffles me that you even came out and admitted to this. It's just as bad as anyone else coming out and saying,
"Hey everyone, I buy un-toned coins and tone them to make them look good. I also make a product to sell to other collectors so they can Artificially tone their coins as well."
If a new board member said this they would be torn a new one, immediately.
This is a bad idea, and I hope you scrap it all.

 

Well tear me a new one! My old one sometimes doesn't work right.. c'mon!

Before:



24hours later:




OMG what have I done!!! I destroyed that pretty coin. Oh noooooooo! Nope, not IMO - I just simply introduced the same contaminants found in every house that will tone a coin naturally in a higher concentration.

 

what??? where is your funny bone grandpa?

 

forgotten me grandpa?

anyways it reminds me we have to tell you why toned coins do not deserve a premium before 2020

 

i must say i have never cared for your products to be honest until now.

if this product succeeds i wont have to wait till 2020 to convince GD that paying more for toned coins is a bad idea. period. i am only trying to convince gd here the rest of you can collect as much toned coins as you want no problems

 

i agree with thad people will do it whether he does it or not.

 

and if you cant tell the difference does it matter?

 

if you dont know what you are doing then you end up getting burnt and you deserve it. Isnt that what you have always said GD?

Exactly. the only way this nonsense will stop with toned coins is when people realize its just a reversal of the dipping process. if you pay 10 times for a dipped coin people will call you an idiot seems like that will soon be true for toned coins

so shall we blame the inventor of gun powder for 2 world wars or einstein for the nuclear devastation in japan?

 

I am not looking to offend anyone here and least of all GD but where we sit is where we stand if dipping is ok so is toning and its high time we realized that and accepted it. I would like to add if thad succeeds with his product it will get rid of the bias of toned coins. instead of lynching him he should be knighted because he is doing the hobby a big favor

 

lol as gd said if a coin is AT and done right no one will ever be able to tell thad's product will restore the balance of the coin universe and bring things back to normal. we will be rid of the black art called AT

perhaps wheaties can also give us a few pointers

 

It looks NT to me, though not folder or album toned. That might throw off the TPGs who want album toned coins.

As usual, I'm REALLY late to this party. I personally believe that AT can be used to CONSERVE a damaged coin and welcome it. I have a S-23 large Cent which was given the eraser treatment to try to restore a date which was still there, but they still messed it up.

Now in the old days. the coin would have been washed with water to eliminate dirt and then worn inside underwear for some length of time to restore the natural toning. This is just another of many attempts to make the coin more appealing and desirable. If it does not do this, then there is no motive to do it.

The market will then decide whether they agree or not. The ONLY thing wrong is any attempt to deceive the buyer into believing that it is something that it is not. To me, a damaged coin from cleaning has more appeal after artificial toning done well as long as it doesn't harm the underlying detail. It restores it rather than enhances it beyond the normal state.

It was not uncommon to lacquor or varnish these coins at one time. When it preserved them, I say GREAT. Unfortunately, this sometimes damaged them instead so I say BOO!

One of the things BadThad places at the forefront on his products is not damaging the detail. Sometime his product reveals damage, but doesn't do additional damage (or at least he doesn't believe they do, though I have doubts on the Zincolns).

Anyway, if a coin has been restored to a point where it cannot be differentiated from an undamaged one, then I say Bully for BadThad for saving the coin. Even if it is distinguishable, it's not necessarily bad.

There are MANY beautiful RETONED Coppers and many Coppers which people can only guess about when trying to determine whether the toning is NT or old AT. If you have to guess? Why is there a difference in price?

 

Why not may I ask? How could you not like a product that's able to save coins like these? .....and I have many more pictures from not only myself, but from customers.

http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/uploaded/BadThad/2010818_1979bu.jpg
http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/uploaded/BadThad/2010818_1979buCLOSE.jpg
http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/uploaded/BadThad/2010626_1838LGoriginalafter.jpg
http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/uploaded/BadThad/2010611_1939CorrodedWheatrev.jpg
http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/uploaded/BadThad/201059_1937buffBeforeAfterOBV.jpg
http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/uploaded/BadThad/2010410_1979LincolnAmazing.jpg

Show me ANY other chemical or product that can do that in 5 minutes or less without damaging the coin.

 

Yup

To BadThad, I would still be concerned until it was shown via stress tests or something else that age will not change this toning. I have seen many products over the years look good at first but age change the results. I know you say its all natural, but I would still like something like that before I ever did this to a coin I own. I have been around a long time and will be around a long time, I have to know my coins won't discolor on me or my children in 30 years.

 

I suggest you read the book Coin Chemistry to understand the toning process. In brief, it is well-known and scientifically proven that hydrogen sulfide is the chemical responsible for toning. VT is a hydrogen sulfide slow-release chemical and thus mimics natual processes. If your coin changes after toning with VT, even after 30 years, then it was improperly stored.