Nice multi error quarter Any ideas as to its value

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by benk1234, Dec 16, 2005.

  1. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    This is one of the better-known cud/retained cud quarters. It's listed in The Cud Book. The obverse features a die break (cud). The reverse features a retained cud. A piece of the die broke off, but instead of being lost, was held in place by the collar and sank down to a level below the die face. The result is design sitting on a plateau of metal. This particular double-cud error appears on eBay all the time. In this condition it usually brings about $25.
     
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  3. Slowride66

    Slowride66 Junior Member

    DID you ever find out what this coin is worth?

    I don't think its a fake.

    Unless the same person spoofed mine.

    Yours looks like it came after mine .

    The roll {Dent}on the back comes from the lack of pressure in the front.

    As described in this article on cud's

    I am a 3 day old expert on cuds but have had this coin for 10 years.


    SR66:D
     

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  4. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    Ditto. It is a cud listed in the cud book.

    Sam Thurman was co-author of the cud book with Arnie Margolis. Sam gave me an example of this same quarter cud in appreciation for some help I gave him with the book. (I was a simple contributor to the book like many others). This quarter has an obverse cud covering the date & a retained cud on the reverse. You have found a nice coin. I believe it is a genuine coin & I believe that the price today should be set around $30 to $60 depending upon condition & eye appeal.

    I saw this same quarter cud for sale at Coinfest last month & the price on the 2x2 was $80. I suspect the dealer may have offered it to me for $60 or $70 but I did not ask. I did purchase the 1989 dated cent cud from this same dealer which I posted 1-2 weeks ago. Cuds are cool.

    Very best regards,
    collect89
     

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  5. Coinfreak~24

    Coinfreak~24 Active Member

    sweet find guy's!!!!!!!!!
     
  6. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Slowride, your quarter and the one in the original post are from different dies. Look at the left edge of the cud. His starts to the left of the 1 and meets the bust further to the right than on yours.

    If you start with the assumption that they both came from the same die then one had to come before the other. If yours came first you would have to explain how the edge of the cud moved to the right on the bust and restored design. If you assume his come first then you have to explain how the edge of the cud moved from the left side of the one one the early one to the right side on the later one. Since neither of these options make sense they must have come from different dies.
     
  7. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Slowride
    Welcome to the forum.
     
  8. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    These photos depict the copy that I own & the listing in the cud book. I believe your coin is genuine.

    Very best regards,
    collect89
     

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  9. Slowride66

    Slowride66 Junior Member

    Thanks for the Welcome!

    I do believe you are correct I think they are from different lots.

    I have noticed one the reverse side where on older Quarters where the mint mark would be .
    I have some stuff* going on there.
    And there is stuff in the "Quarter Dollar"
    {I think you can see it in these pix}

    Also on the Obverse side there is a unicorn horn going on top of Georges head.

    *STUFF things I don't know the terminology.

    I think mine is in very good shape considering how much hair is not worn off.

    This must happen from the way they change the date.

    Can anyone suggest any books on this subject?



    SR66:thumb:
     

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  10. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    I recommend "The Cud Book" by Sam Thurman & Arnold Margolis. It is Library of Congress Catalog Card Number 97-90594. You could probably get a copy from Arnold Margolis at 516-764-8063 or Jim's Coins at 608-233-2118 in Madison Wisconsin.

    Your quarter has the revised hair style & I did not find it exactly depicted in the 1997 cud book. It may be a progression of WQC-ND-27. That means Washington Quarter Cud - No Date - #27. The book includes a photograph of each listed cud. (You will need to get the book to see the photo but it looks like the predecessor to your cud).

    Very best regards,
    collect89

    P.S. Frank Leone has published a supplement that includes many pieces from Sam Thurman's collection. There are several additional no-date quarter cuds listed but I didn't find yours listed. Yours is just as valuable as all the others. It is just not listed.
     
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