I am pretty sure this is a 1960P-1DO-006, however my real question is: Is it possible that there can be different die markers for EDS, MDS & LDS ? I ask this because I was only able to locate an example of this in the MDS at coppercoins. To me the tail of the "9" matched exactly with what looks more like shelf doubling & there is a very pronounced die scratch to the SW of the "19" that moves in the correct direction, but is missing the joining die scratch that is displayed in the MDS example. Another thing I have noticed about this DDO is that most of the doubling looks like MD but that is also how the example on coppoercoins looks. feedback always welcome I also have more photos of the markers from the reverse I can upload if anyone is interested.
nope , but it is at www.coppercoins.com http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=1960&die_id=1960p1do006&die_state=mds
I think he was saying put a picture of the entire date that size not just one letter/number per picture.
I will try but I currently do not have the means to make it very large nor clear when shooting the entire coin.
here are the best blow ups I can do with my webcam Jello, here are the best blow ups I can do with my webcam I tried using 2 different loupes and 2 different magnifying glasses and still unable to get a focused full shot like yours.
I don't see the more obvious die lines crossing the bottom of the "9" , nor the chip in the R as coppercoins has it. However they show the middle die state, and there is a possibility, but it seems slim since yours has a prominent die line running through the "1", which is not on the MDS of Coppercoins, so that seems to rule out the possibility of your being the same only EDS. I would have to say no. Jim
I apologize for all the photos in this thread. Thank you desertgem for answering my initial question which was about EDS vs MDS vs LDS. If I understand you correctly the LDS will have more potential for certain MDS markers not being present than the EDS ?
No, think of the die as a shiny new tool, with very few marks on it. This is the Early Die State, but as it is used, it might get some clash marks, worn devices,etc. and the workers will try to polish the surface back for use, this we could call the middle die state ( so marks here that would not have been on the early die state), latermore wear, more damage , more polishing, will change the appearance, but most of the major marks of the MDS will still be present, but now more, so this might be called the Late Die State. So EDS might have marker 1, middle die state might have marker 1 & 2, Late die state might have marker 1,2,&3. So if a coin had marker 1 and 3, but not 2, then it would not be from this die. here is one of my favorite coins, 1960 D/D sm date / lg date, DDO with RPM-100 In Early die state which are rare, there is only a die gouge across the shoulder of Lincoln. You can see it here on this photo, of a late die state, but the early marker will still be there: The middle die state has the shoulder gouge and,, a die gouge southwest of the 9, and the 6 appears "unbroken". Now a late die state has the shoulder ( which you can't see), the die gouge near the 9 and now notice the "broken" 6, chip. So EDS = shoulder MDS = shoulder and gouge near 9 LDS = shoulder, gouge near the 9, broken chipped 6. Jim
Since there are very few of the EDS, you can zip through a roll of 1960-D, looking for the shoulder gouge. If you find one, it is almost a certainty that the RPM-100 will be there also. I do not have a EDS, only 1 of the MDS, and the rest are LDS. If you find a EDS, let me know I think they are amazing coins ! Jim
Will do. I have to finish going through my bank box rolls of 1960-P's first. Trying to look for some lesser known varieties that can still bring a premium in AU-MS grade I am curious if I am searching bank boxes of OBW rolls, do I have to search all of the rolls for DDO, DDR or RPM or are these types of errors or varieties commonly rolled together. I guess I am wondering if most error coins come grouped together from the mint or if it is quite a bit more random because of the process from hoppers to bags to brinks ?
On the older coins, for example the 1970-S bag of cents I searched in another thread, would have been rolled at the bank if the collector at that time didn't buy the whole bag. Thus there was a concentration of cents with similar markers. More modern procedures ( no bags) is for the delivery company ( armored car) to roll them as they come, although I did last year and first of this year purchase full boxes of 2009 BU cents, so I guess it depends on their inventory when the orders come in from the banks.
