Value for this 1892-S Barber Quarter

Discussion in 'What's it Worth' started by flyers10, Dec 14, 2005.

  1. flyers10

    flyers10 Collector of US Coinage

    SuperDave-

    Thanks for taking the time to evaluate this coin. What are your thoughts on me sending it to NCS/NGC? I am a member of the Collectors Society through the NGC website and they have forums there. I have submitted a question with the picture of the coin to the NCS people to see what they think about conserving the coin and hopefully getting it graded by NGC.

    I started coin collecting at a suggestion of a good friend in Feb. My wife was expecting a baby last May (the baby is now 8 months old and I couldn't be happier) and my friend said you should order Mint and Proof sets from the mint on a subscription for the baby. Well I got hooked and here I am branching out.

    I would like to put a really nice collection away for her so I will be saving this coin for a long time to come. One of the big reasons I would like to try to get it graded is to make sure their was no cleaning or frosting prior and know exactly what this rates.

    Any thoughts you have would be appreciated.

    Craig
     
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  3. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    By comparison to the more experienced members around here, I'm a complete rookie. Any opinions I may express are merely my own, and may not reflect the true trends or realities in the collecting hobby. :)

    Having said that, I have a weakness for nice Barber quarters, as well as variations. I prefer my coins to be raw. Your coin strikes me on all three counts, and I'm maybe a little biased as a result. Your plan to go with NCS/NGC is, in my opinion, the best way to ensure the maximum future protection and value of that specific coin.

    Here's a few of my pretties, all raw:

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  4. flyers10

    flyers10 Collector of US Coinage

    Thanks Superdave-
    I think I will go the NCS/NGC route. I already have some free early bird submissions coming for NGC so might as well pay the extra 20 bucks for the NCS service.

    On those Barber quarter. Wow ;) . Wish my obverse of my 1892-S looked that good. Have a good night.
     
  5. tdec1000

    tdec1000 Coin Rich, Money Poor :D

    i would send the coin to anacs that way you can see what theyre new slabs will be like and get a net grade for the damage.
     
  6. Speedy

    Speedy Researching Coins Supporter

    Nope---they don't give net grades anymore...they would list the problem but no Net grades....when I talked to Mr Taylor he said the reason was that it saved time...they can now get your coins back faster and there has never been a set stander for NET grades...so its kindof up to the graders.

    Speedy
     
  7. flyers10

    flyers10 Collector of US Coinage

    I was planning to send it to NCS for conservation and sent over to NGC to try to get it graded. Good chance it will come back in a body bag.
    Was then thinking of sending it of to ANACS to get it graded if NGC gives it a no grade. I was reading this paragraph by ANACS and this is why I thought they would give it a grade.

    "Problem coins graded: ANACS is the only major grading service to grade cleaned, corroded, damaged, repaired, and other problem coins. The details grade reflects the amount of remaining detail on the coin, balancing actual wear with remaining sharpness. The net grade deducts a given number of grading points from the details grade, depending on the severity of the coin's problems"
     
  8. Speedy

    Speedy Researching Coins Supporter

    They haven't changed their site because they are getting a whole new on in JAN but they don't do NET grades anymore....too bad too...I think that was a great service of theirs!

    Speedy
     
  9. flyers10

    flyers10 Collector of US Coinage

    Thanks Speedy-
    You just saved me some time and money!
     
  10. Speedy

    Speedy Researching Coins Supporter

    Well I hope so....that is why I'm here ;)
    But let me say that ANACS is a great grading Co. and I suggest them for most coins...if NCS can do something for your coin I say go for it...but if they can't send it to ANACS (you say that word... AnnX...it took me awhile to find that out) as they are cheaper and faster.

    Speedy
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    Don't misunderstand flyers - ANACS will grade and slab your coin. And it won't matter if that is damage on the cheek or not - they will grade it either way.

    What ANACS used to do was to grade a damaged or cleaned coin and the slab would say - AU Details, Damaged, Net Grade VF30.

    Now the slab will say - AU Details, Damaged.

    That's what is meant by them not net grading any longer.
     
  12. julzboi661

    julzboi661 New Member

    gd, i'm not trying to degrade you, but i think the frosting thing is about the most retarded thing i've heard since the yo' momma jokes in 3rd grade. sorry :(
     
  13. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    No problem julz ;) Just remember though - it DOES happen.
     
  14. julzboi661

    julzboi661 New Member

    haha okay, i've never ever seen this.
    i'm thinkin about going to the local airbrush place and asking him if he can let me try to frost a coin. :hammer:
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    A better idea might be for you to look up some books on the subject of methods used to alter coins. You'll be surprised at what you find out.

    If there is an idea that can be thought of - that would allow an unscrupulous person to alter a coin in a way that he can sell it for more money than it is really worth - it HAS been done.
     
  16. julzboi661

    julzboi661 New Member

    huh. that so. well.. i guess. Swing by my post about the AGE in coin chat, GDJMSP! i'd like your opinion.
     
  17. zaneman

    zaneman Former Moderator

    You don't even need an airbrush. I thought about this for a while after GD mentioned it, and I have already come up with a way to frost a coin. I tried it out, and it worked. I'm not going to mention details, as the last thing I want is some unscrupulous person to run across this post and then start frosting coins. You'd truly be surprised how easy it is to do. :(
     
  18. zaneman

    zaneman Former Moderator

    Also, I reckon the way I thought of works and looks even better than an airbrush would. I've been reading a lot about doctoring coins, and have even thought of some stuff myself, so that I can make sure I can recognize these coins. You'd be surprised just how many coins have been doctored. Some people are so good, especially at retoning that you won't be able to tell.
     
  19. zaneman

    zaneman Former Moderator

    I met someone, who even can remove signs of cleaning by etching away a few microns of a coin using a certain deadly chemical compound.
     
  20. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member


    Polsih and frost it and put it on ebay as an MS70
     
  21. flyers10

    flyers10 Collector of US Coinage

    Well Got my 1892-S Barber quarter back from NCS yesterday. It took about a month. Qiuarter was not cleaned or frosted previously. It did not grade by NGC due to the damage on the cheek. Ended up being slabbed by NCS as Uncirculated Details with Enviromental Damage. I am really happy with the service they provided. The quarter looks great and will be staying in my collection. I tried to post pictures or a scan but keep getting file to big. I will try get the file size down. If anyone is thinking of using NCS for conservation of a coin I can certainly highly recommend them.
     
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