Netherlands: copper jeton; 80 Years War, beheading scene, 1596, Dordrecht mint

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How interesting/appealing do you find this item, whether or not you're an expert? (1=worst, 10=best)

  1. 10

    3 vote(s)
    13.6%

  2. 9

    9 vote(s)
    40.9%

  3. 8

    6 vote(s)
    27.3%

  4. 7

    1 vote(s)
    4.5%

  5. 6

    1 vote(s)
    4.5%

  6. 5

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  7. 4

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  8. 3

    1 vote(s)
    4.5%

  9. 2

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%

  10. 1

    1 vote(s)
    4.5%
  1. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Netherlands: copper jeton; 80 Years War, beheading scene, 1596, Dordrecht mint
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    Obverse: SIMVLATA PAX EXITIVM PARIT, decapitation scene, bishop in background with olive twig, soldiers around. (Sources differ on which side is the obverse and which the reverse on this type.)
    Reverse: VIGILANDO PAX FIRMATVR, soldier with arquebus watching from atop a tower. Date divided by a rosette.
    Issuer: Dutch Republic (1579–1795).
    Specifications: Copper, 29 mm approx. Dordrecht mint.
    Grade: PCGS AU58, cert #44769725.
    Reference: Numista-134251, PCGS-902484, Dugniolle-3394 (per PCGS).
    Provenance: gift from Josh Zachman, 2022.
    Notes: The detailed design on this jeton features some interesting details, including the somewhat grisly depiction of Dutchmen being beheaded by Spaniards during the 80 Years' War (Dutch Revolt).
    Comments: The combination of its history, interesting design, and large size of this piece made it appealing to me, as well as the fact that it's dated.
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    lordmarcovan, Nov 23, 2022
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  3. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    This was a kind gift from Josh Zachman (@kazuma78).
     
    lordmarcovan, Nov 23, 2022
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  4. expat

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    expat, Nov 24, 2022
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  5. longnine009

    longnine009 Darwin has to eat too. Supporter

    Ha-ha, Loppy-Choppy Haircut. Definitely different and a 10.
     
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  6. Chris B

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    Thats really nice and historical. It's the kind of thing I buy when I see it.
     
    Chris B, Nov 24, 2022
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  7. Robidoux Pass

    Robidoux Pass Well-Known Member

    Morbid, yet fascinating, portrayal on this token. Superb condition for something over 400 years old. Thanks for sharing @lordmarcovan.
     
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  8. kazuma78

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    I'm so glad you liked it! Though grisly, the scene is pretty interesting and a fascinating piece of history. A very interesting type and I believe pretty rare. I could find essentially no comps or sales of this type, unlike a lot of other Spanish Netherlands Jetons. So either not many of these were minted or survived, or both. It's certainly a well detailed scene!
     
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  9. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    This is my exact reasoning for giving it a 9. :D
     
    ddddd, Nov 25, 2022
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  10. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    Hard to rate a beheading scene as "appealing" but I gave it an 8 for the interesting factor.
     
    KBBPLL, Nov 25, 2022
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  11. KSorbo

    KSorbo Well-Known Member

    I wonder if the Saudis would ever make a modern version with a depiction of “Chop Chop Square”. Or how about an “Old Sparky” US commemorative coin program? Your piece introduces a lot of possibilities.
     
    KSorbo, Nov 26, 2022
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  12. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    None of them particularly appealing, for some reason. They were pretty hardcore in the 16th century!
     
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