1951-D Lincoln Moved Date & RPM ?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by kangayou, Jul 28, 2010.

  1. kangayou

    kangayou Junior Member

    I have seen other cents that look very strange due to numbers and letters that have been pushed around on the field of the coin , but I have never seen this. The 2nd "1" in the date looks like it was rolled up an slid towards the "5" but there are dings , marks nor scratches on the rim or field area around the date. There also doesn't seem to be enough copper left in the "1" or the area it was pushed ? to. This also appears to be an RPM I think.
     

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  3. kangayou

    kangayou Junior Member

    got clearer images and appears to be a Lamination Peel

    got clearer images and appears to be a Lamination Peel
     

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  4. ziggy9

    ziggy9 *NEC SPERNO NEC TIMEO*

    That 1 was dinged by a coin rolling machine early in its life. The coin has toned since removing all evidence except the moved 1. This is very common but some dealers are still trying to sell these a rare varieties!

    Richard
     
  5. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    what Ziggy said.
     
  6. jonthecoinjunky

    jonthecoinjunky Junior Member

    In refference to the RPM, I don't believe it to be an rpm. From the photos, it more resembles one of the two omm's from that year. Are there any distinctive die markers on the coin?
     
  7. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    It doesn't appear like either of the OMM ( D/S).
    http://www.lincolncentresource.com/OMMS/1951omms.html

    But it does have similarity to 1951D-1MM-032 D/D. You have the coin , so go to
    http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=1951&die_id=1951d1mm032&die_state=mds

    and check the other markers. If there are none, it could still be it , but Early Die State before the markers appeared. Or deterioration of the die in the lower part of the D due to wear/overuse. I would go with the latter myself.

    Jim
     
  8. jonthecoinjunky

    jonthecoinjunky Junior Member

    RPM 32 was not in the book I had. At first glance it appeared to resemble omm 2 (later die state). The picture from the site is an unc coin and appears to show less detail than his coin which is circulated. Do you think it is an earlier die state of the rpm 32?
     
  9. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    Just with the photos shown, I wouldn't venture a confirmation. There is some difference in appearance in the above photo, but it could be due to glare. I just think 32 it is the closest answer if it really is a RPM. That is why I suggested to Kangayou to check the other diagnostic markers on the coppercoin ref. If they are visible, I would go with RPM-32, in not positive, then die damage.

    Jim
     
  10. kangayou

    kangayou Junior Member

    Unfortunately my coin does not have even 1 of the 4 other markers listed under LDS nor MDS. I guess since it is a well circulated coin and it does show alot of detail that it could be from an EDS which they have no markers listed for.
    By the way I was aware of Coppercoins.com but I never knew how to use the markers resource until this very thread. Thank you guys !
     
  11. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

    Although it doesn't have a FS#, RPM 032 is recognized by CONECA and Wexler, so I would think ANACS would be able to authenticate. The prices on Coppercoins have been behind for most varieties that go to auction or on ebay, but they only list an EF @ $2.50, even if we triple that , it would still be worth less than having it authenticated. I would put it into a 2x2 , write or print out this thread to keep with it, and put it aside for a while. I have a box of "suspects" not worth verifying. Go over them ever so often, amazing how they can look different after a while. :)
     
  12. jonthecoinjunky

    jonthecoinjunky Junior Member

    Desert gem, you are right on. I love collecting RPMs whenever I come accross them. I have hundreds of them; however, most of them (being minor RPMs) cary little to no premium over the regular issue. But they are still cool to look for!
     
  13. Jon4485

    Jon4485 Junior Member

    what kinda loupe did you use(if any) when looking at the lamination peel?
     
  14. kangayou

    kangayou Junior Member

    I used a Celestron microscope that comes with a USB camera attacment. I was playing with the different magnification strengths today and discovered that I can now get even closer close-ups. Check these out:
     

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