How are altered mintmarks added???

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by cerdsalicious, Jul 19, 2010.

  1. cerdsalicious

    cerdsalicious BigShot

    What I know about altered mintmarks are two methods.
    They would soder the mintnark or glue it.
    The second has me puzzled, I would assume they hold down the mintmark with a needle or toothpick, but what type of glue would leave little residue. I know superglue leaves residue as do glue guns so would they use elmers glue??
    Seriously I'm just pondering how it would be done and what type of glue.
    Anyone know?
    Can't wait fir the book "confessions of a coin alterer" to come out.
     
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  3. panda

    panda Junior Member

    what you plan on opening a rare coin store on ebay?;)

    i joke! i have also wondered that as well.
     
  4. Duke Kavanaugh

    Duke Kavanaugh The Big Coin Hunter

    I have no idea but unlike you I dont really care to know. I see no reason that knowing this would help me in identifying altered coins. But good luck with your search :D
     
  5. Victor

    Victor Coin Collector

    My neighbor recently bought a slabbed 1916-D dime. After getting it home he was looking at it and the D mintmark came loose and was rattling around in the slab.
    The dealer returned his money.
    Also a collector must beware of removed mintmarks too. An example would be a 1914-S half dollar where someone ground off the S.
     
  6. abe

    abe LaminatedLincolnCollector

    Dito...
     
  7. giorgio11

    giorgio11 Senior Numismatist

    Glue is one way. Another way is where a mintmark is "embossed" into the coin. Imagine a tiny hole drilled into the edge and then the metal is squeezed upward from the plane of the coin to form a raised mintmark. That's why it's always good--for raw coins, where you can see the edge--to examine it for any signs of metal disturbance, solder that might cover the entry point, etc.
     
  8. Numismatist47

    Numismatist47 New Member

    Soldering is the preferred method of adding a mm to a coin.

    If you ever watch Pawn Stars on History Channel, they had an episode where a woman brought in a 1932-S Washington quarter and Rick noticed something was off about the mm. It was confirmed that it was soldered onto the reverse of the coin and therefore just an ordinary, common 1932 Washington worth only melt.
     
  9. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Can you show us some photographic examples of this embossing method?

    Chris
     
  10. fretboard

    fretboard Defender of Old Coinage!

    Tritto!! :D
     
  11. BR549

    BR549 Junior Member

    I had a dealer show me a 1914-D Buffy that had a embossed D added to the coin. You could see the plug on the rim with a 5X loupe and the D was a little shaky but would pass as a genuine mint mark. He said he got burned when someone else pointed it out to him.
     
  12. bigjpst

    bigjpst Well-Known Member

    there is a decent picture of an altered 1926 Buffalo with the embossed mintmark and a picture of the plug on the side in the PCGS guide to coin grading and counterfeit detection.
     
  13. desertgem

    desertgem Senior Errer Collecktor Supporter

  14. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

  15. Specksynder

    Specksynder Junior Member

    Wow, so I wanna know who slabbed this.

    Or someone taking a leg off of a 37-D buffalo
     
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    Specksynder Junior Member

  17. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    Simply removing the leg should not fool an educated collector. There are several die markers to look for on a genuine example (e.g., die polish lines under the buffalo's belly, "moth eaten" rear leg, etc.)
     
  18. Specksynder

    Specksynder Junior Member

    But... don't you remember the episode of Silver Spoons? Ricky Schroeder had to sell the 3-legger to repair a coffee table and he just filed another one to fool his dad until he came clean! I saw it on tv, so it must work.
     
  19. Hobo

    Hobo Squirrel Hater

    What is Silver Spoons?
     
  20. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Per http://tv.yahoo.com/silver-spoons/show/33609;_ylt=AghlVxCyIOlQ2UogAO_MhN0AWYh4

     
  21. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    True but it works great for fooling newbies and uneducated collectors (not always the same thing.)
     
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