Has this been cleaned?

http://cgi.ebay.com/1858-SL-FLYING-...ryZ11942QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

http://imagehost.vendio.com/bin/vie...llow_track_link=1&track=0231a51eda-d0014&sp=1

 

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What the heck is sandblasted!

Ruben

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8362105516#ebayphotohosting

how about this one?

 

You mean actual Sand Blasting? Its that too rough for coins or dies?

Ruben

 

I have nothing against slabs but the slabbed Flying Eagles (although sometime I like to HOLD coins in my hands) but generally they seem to be the most top shelf examples of the coin and I'm swiming in less expensive waters. Furthmore, I don't really need to ask about a slabbed coin. BTW - I've seen a lot of Flying Eagle Slabs with cleaned Flying Eagles. And with Flying Eagles, I could be wrong, but my observation seems to be that slabs cost much more money then the price differences in slabbed Morgans.

These coins, more than others I collect, lead me to ask about their quality because so many are cleaned, and so many have strike imperfections, and the coper/nickle finishes seem to be sensitive, often very dark. And because there are so many G's and F's available, many of them very dark and with limited eye apeal, the tempation for fruad and cleaning is high and there are a lot of frauds, and polished coins around.

Ruben

 

Not to worry, Ive had about adozen of these in various grades, that type of coin looks porris and roughf on most(fields), I just sold one 2 weeks ago that was way roughf but good in strike.also with the 1859's also.Then you'l find a good field on one once in a while, just my experiance with these.....

 

1859 would be an Indian Head I believe

So your saying the rough background fileds are normal for this coin? Why?

Ruben

 

Yes its the first year Indian (1859),To answer that is hard to say why most are porris lookin,maybe the preperation and maintanance of the dies??I can only comment on the ones Ive owned and seen, typical conditions. they even look worse depending on the patina they get.Dealers also know this and when you see a Humm-Dinger of a nice one (clear fields), the price will reflect it!.

 

But maybe its because those have been cleaned? A lot of these coins are cleaned.
(BTW - copper tends to pit)
ruben

 

Not the ones Ive had, all original, some look way bad (fields), others so-so......

 

Heres an example, not the best one of what we are talking about (fields), but these are usualy roughf in texture in the field area, kinda pitted look,this one is not the best to show though..... :goof:

 

Well, Its a dead deal now. I HATE EBAY.

This "gentleman" won't ship the coin any other way but insured with a signature, and I can't be here to sign for it.

I'm SO SICK of ebay trash... I've worried over this coin for a week for no reason whatsoever. I'm never buying anything again on ebay. The processes is fundementally broken and breeds fraud.

Ruben

 

It doesn't work like that. It works like this. They don't deliver it. I get to the post office which is accross town at my first oppurtunity 2 weeks later, and then stand in line for at the minimum of an hour, and then if they find it, which is not guaranteed at this point, i can bring it home. A nice tighty 3 hours plus wasted.

I don't need ANYTHING that badly.

Ruben

 

After 2 weeks the owner would get it back....send it Fed-X or UPS....a good coin (and you and 2 other guys on this forum are SURE it is good) is worth the wait....even if its 3 hours....

Then why bid if you wern't willing to work out shippment.....how would you like to send something valued at $700+ to someone you never met or don't know somewhere else in the USA and you aren't sure that you can get ahold of him if something goes wrong....you aren't sure that he will tell you when it gets there....
Put yourself in HIS shoes....

Speedy