Opinion of grade?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by bigred1001, Dec 11, 2005.

  1. bigred1001

    bigred1001 New Member

    Hello,

    I go to my local dealer every week or two and liked the look of this half. At the right angle it appears to have some nice reflective toning under the darker toning. I thought it looked high VF and bought it. It's always a struggle to find these that don't look harshly cleaned. What do you guy's think?


    Patrick
     

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  3. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    If you really want a good opinion, remove the coin from the 2x2, take more pics - several. Do your best to keep them as clear as possible - and before posting crop the pic to help reduce the file size and show a larger version. With the pics you have posted it would be very hard to offer an opinion.

    And by the way, from your description it sounds like there is luster under the toning. That would be a good thing ;)
     
  4. smithrow1

    smithrow1 New Member

    Yes its hard to tell from the pictures if it has been cleaned. A good place to go for barber coin information is barbercoins.org
     
  5. 2coins

    2coins New Member

    Any Barber(Series coinage) in VF or better shape, cleaned or not is a keeper if the price is right!!These circulated very, very well, and its hard to get these in that shape with a good price tag, same with standing liberty quarters and halves. :)
     
  6. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

  7. bigred1001

    bigred1001 New Member

    I think these came out a little better. I love this series because of the challenge it is to find nice examples.
     

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  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Much better !!

    No I do not think the coin has been cleaned, at least I can't see it in the pics - nice toning ;) I'd grade the coin as F15. It would almost make VF20, but that rim bruise on the reverse would hold it back I think.
     
  9. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    i like the way these coins aged.
     
  10. Speedy

    Speedy Researching Coins Supporter

    Man alive do I wish I had seen that coin and you hadn't!!!!...it would make my 1897S look sick.....
    I agree F15...nice looking LIBERTY...nice grade---

    Speedy
     
  11. Richard01

    Richard01 Senior Member

    I'd think it would just as likely make VF as F. I don't think there is anything about that coin that is unusual damage or wear for its age that would cause it to not make VF.
     
  12. zaneman

    zaneman Former Moderator

    I think there is some wear on some spots, particularly on the bottom of the letters in liberty that would prevent it from grading vf.
     
  13. Speedy

    Speedy Researching Coins Supporter

    There is wear on the bottom of LIBERTY....a few little rim bumps on the REV...and I would almost say too much wear on the leaves on the Ovb to get a VF....

    Speedy
     
  14. bigred1001

    bigred1001 New Member

    Here is a better closeup of liberty. Looking at most guides this should be vf even with a bit of wear on the bottom of letters E,&R.
     

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  15. Bonedigger

    Bonedigger New Member

    I'd say VF-20.

    Bone
     
  16. Speedy

    Speedy Researching Coins Supporter

    A guide is just that...a guide...
    I know that some grading Co. might give you VF...some dealers would say VF...but you need to remember about that rim bump on the back and that little wear on the leaves...that does matter...and that IMO and many others would take down the grade.
    The LIBERTY is strong...and that would be hard to find in Barber halves..

    Speedy
     
  17. Richard01

    Richard01 Senior Member

    Granted grading is subjective, but I still say VF. I see the issues pointed out, but believe them to be in line with a VF barber. I think that when viewed as a whole, the details are strong and the eye appeal is nice on that coin. Rule of thumb: if I saw it for sale, I'd certainly make the claim it is a F, and work to pay those dollars, but if I was trading it or selling it, I'd surely have a strong claim for lower VF value. I just think it is a bit nicer than a F. I have seen many professionally graded F coins that are not as nice as this one...
     
  18. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

  19. Speedy

    Speedy Researching Coins Supporter

    So would I!!....and if I was the coin in hand I might change...

    SuperDave....I like ANACS alot...but from the coins I have sent in most have been overgrade by 1 point....I had a few friends help me grade a coin and we all said VG...it came back F....another coin everyone said F...came back VF NET F....

    Speedy
     
  20. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Noted, and filed for future reference for any Barbers I might want to turn on Ebay... :)
     
  21. Richard01

    Richard01 Senior Member

    The joys of coin grading! Its the perfect skill, as there are no right or wrong answers, only opinions! That is why I decided to not sell coins, but just to collect them! Now, my only motivation is to grade the coin in a way that seems fair and reasonable in light of simply trying to accurately catalog my collection. Grading in consideration of selling a coin always caused me to make mistakes.
     
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