Silver Eagle with Strike Thru Error

Believe it or not I have TWO of these. Both came from a roll that had 8 with the same area struck thru and each one was slightly larger in area, but not as deep. The first one was graded and slabbed at an MS63. It has a deeper hole. I would show you both, but I don't know where the other coin is. *sigh*



When I find the other coin I'll post both. It's cool to see the way the spot spreads out over just a few coins.

Ben

 

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Okay, I'm confused. Are you saying that you have two with the same strikethrough and a total of eight, all with a similar strikethrough?

I would like to see photos of all if the strikethrough is similar because it is very doubtful that the same debris could have caused both (or all). A strikethrough occurs when debris or a foreign object falls onto the planchet and is embedded into it when it is struck by the die. Sometimes the object will be retained, and sometimes it will fall away after the coin is ejected from the coining chamber. The only possible way that debris could cause a strikethrough in the same position on multiple planchets would be if the debris had attached itself to the die.

Chris

 

I agree what ever is on the die would change location on each strike.

 

Yes, I'm sure your're correct! The roll had a progression of 8 coins with some kind of grease and metal shavings glob on the die. As the coins were struck it flattened out and, I would guess, fell off or was removed. I only had money to buy 2 of the coins, but you could see the same error with the same basic shape with the same characteristics at the same position on each of the 8 coins and like I said each strike made the area wider and not as deep. WHEN I find the slabbed coin I will post it. It is easy to see that the spot was getting larger with each strike. I have no doubt that all 8 coins were struck with the same debris stuck to the die. The dealer had several rolls that he ordered at the same time, but only 8 had the errors in one roll and each one showed a larger area but not as deep. You could even see the same lines that looked as if they could have been metal shavings trapped in some kind of grease, gum or some kind of binding agent. The first strike was half the size in area on the coin. It just touched the bottom of the "Y", but was deeper. I wish I had them all.

Ben

 

"The only possible way that debris could cause a strikethrough in the same position on multiple planchets would be if the debris had attached itself to the die."


I do believe that is possible..

 

Rock right nothing is imposable

 

MS63 Silver Eagle Struck Thru Progression

I FOUND THE SLABBED COIN. YEA, ME! Here are the photos and I'll leave it for you to judge. As you can see the error is being "pushed" to the outer edge of the coin, down and the shape is changing. The error is larger in the 2nd coin covering most of the bottom of the "Y" and moving into the "OD" in GOD. I saw all 8 and each one was different with the error growing with each strike. I'm sure that the debris stuck to the die and was soft enough to spread.



Please let me know if you agree that this is from debris stuck to the die.

Thanks!
Ben

 

Please see the updated photos above.

Ben

 

What else would you expect it to be?

 

So I take it that you agree that the die can trap debris and you can end up with several coins with the same error in the same location on a "set" of coins? I don't have all 8 (MAN I wish I did!) but do you agree that the 2 coins I do have were caused by the same debris on the die? I want to make sure I was right on the fact that this can happen and that I'm not crazy. *Well yes, I know, I am crazy... but not on this. *

Thanks!
Ben

 

That is very neat, but I can't figure out what looks like die polish lines on the struck thru area, they are goin in different directions...

 

I don't think the lines are from a die polish, I think it's the debris on the die and it's like flow lines or movement of the object causing the error to change slightly with each strike. Anything I say is just a GUESS. I have no idea of what caused this, but I truly think it was an object stuck to the die and was spreading with each strike.

Thanks,
Ben

 

The lines in that area bother me, too. For one thing, if the debris could move then it would stand to reason that it would fall from the face of the die and not strike multiple planchets. When I mentioned in my earlier post that the only way multiple planchets could have the same strikethrough was if the debris attached itself to the face of the die. I was stating that (facetiously) because it is practically impossible for it to occur. Despite their similarities, I don't think both coins were produced as a result of a strikethrough from the same die.

Chris

 

2 very interesting coins. I'm not sure how these were made but they both look like strike-thrus in progression. I'll wait for some experts to comment on them. I wish I had the other 6 coins!

Bruce

 

Errors like this on silver Eagles are not common.

 

Okay, this is my last try. I have noted at least 14 marks on each coin that prove that both errors come from the same die. I also setup a "large size" set of photos so you can look at both on Flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/kostynracing/sets/72157624497938252/

I am sure that all 8 coins came from the same die and were in the same roll. Please look at the attached photos and at the HUGE PHOTOS on Flickr. If you still think that they are not from a progression of errors on the same die after you look at them, I will give up and say the same thing. I know that they are the same die because I saw all 8 cions, but I'll shut up about it and never bring it up again. :smile









Thanks for looking again. And I'll go with what you say.

Ben

 

I'm not saying that these aren't unusual, but it seems 99.9999999999999999999% unlikely that these coins were the result of a strikethrough from the same die. Were the 14 marks that you noted all on the obverse? You can't use any marks on the reverse to prove your contention because either one of the dies can be routinely changed. Are the marks such things as die breaks, die cracks, clashes, etc.? Ordinary marks like dings and nicks are not substantive evidence.

Without definite proof, I can only suggest that these are remarkably similar strikethroughs from different dies or possibly similar planchet defects.

Chris

 

I know I said I wouldn't post on these coins again, but I want to know what other members think.

Please look at the following photos and let me know if you think both error coins came from the same die set. Send me a PM me or you can email me at benjenkins@embarqmail.com to let me know. I don't want to cause problems with any friends on CoinTalk so I will keep all answers private.

I also have HUGE files on Flickr if you want to look at them. If you open the "LARGE" file, it will take a while as it's a 17MB file.





http://www.flickr.com/photos/kostynracing/sets/72157624497938252/ will take you to the set with all of my photos of both coins. I know what I saw. All of the 8 error coins came from the same roll and had the same error in the same location on each coin. They had to be the same dies in my opinion. We are talking about coins that are made in a different way than a true business strike, so 8 coins in the same roll from a die pair is possible.

Thanks!
Ben

 

Looks to perfect to be a coincidence. I guess .000000000000000001% is on your side. I believe its the real deal...

 

Ben, you're using nicks, dings and blemishes to substantiate your assertion. I can also see a dozen other marks that aren't on both coins, but nothing from the reverse will prove anything. It has nothing to do with the obverse.

Chris