Defective planchet or Struck in Rim Burr Quarter?

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  1. Lucky7

    Lucky7 Member

    Looks like a struck in rim burr or defective plantchet.
     

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  3. Hobo

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    Post-Mint damage.
     
  4. jonsullivan

    jonsullivan New Member

    Actually, I'm 99% sure it's a rim burr. The copper appears to be exposed, and the "torn" piece of metal is visible under the lettering. Nice example.

    Jon
     
  5. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    Yes, it's a struck-in rim burr. An unusually long one, to boot.
     
  6. Lucky7

    Lucky7 Member

    I think it might be an incomplete straight clip after further review

    This error looks more like an incomplete straight clip instead of a Struck in the Rim Burr Quarter.:smile
    I included a picture from The Official Guide to Mint Errors by Allan Herbert which is what I am going on.
     

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  7. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    I agree.
    looks like a coin rolling machine got your Quarter.
    unless u can post a close up of the area,like this
     

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  8. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    Herbert is wrong in his identification. The dime looks like it has a struck-in rim burr. At any event, it's some form of pre-strike damage. There is also no way to distinguish an "incomplete straight clip" (as dubious an error category as one can find) from some other form of pre-strike damage that gouges or scores the blank or planchet.

    The quarter definitely has a struck-in rim burr.
     
  9. jello

    jello Not Expert★NormL®

    Mike if you say so.
    :kewl:you may have a better way to view the photo than I


     
  10. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    Which edition of Herbert's book is the photo in?
     
  11. Lucky7

    Lucky7 Member

    Alan Herbert Book

    The picture is on page 190 in the Seventh Edition. The description is on page 189.
    Here is Alan Herbert's Struck in the Rim Burr on page 239. It does not look anything like my coin in my opinion.
     

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  12. mikediamond

    mikediamond Coin Collector

    My latest edition is the sixth. It doesn't have the dime photo. The 1965 quarter looks to have a struck-in rim burr, but much of it fell out after the strike.
     
  13. Lucky7

    Lucky7 Member

    The difference I see on my coin is that my quarter does not have the depressed middle section between the two lines. Instead, it is the same height as the rest of the coin. Here is the definition of III-C-14, Incomplete Straight Clip:

    " A coin struck on a planchet which was punched across a partial or incomplete shear of the end of the strip showing on the struck coin as an indented straight line partially closed by the metal flow."

    I can see the straight "blade" line is the lower line on my coin. It looks exactly like the A. Herbert picture of an Incomplete Straight Clip.

    Herbert says: " The sheared incomplete clip is likely to be deeper at one side due to the angle of the shearing blade, which is fixed at one end. As with the incomplete curved clip, the strike will tend to round and close up the blade marks. One of the earlier examples of this can be found on a 1795 large cent."

    I cannot find another good picture of an Incomplete Straight
    Clip other than A. Herbert's picture. I will keep looking.

    The lower line is a straight line blade mark from the coin punch. The upper line is the "edge of the clad layer which broke off nearly parallel to the 'blade' line." The area between the two lines does not look like the rim of another coin definately or any kind of indentation other than the lower straight blade line.

    Herbert states "A strike through the rim burr is defined as: A coin which was struck with a partially sheared or detached narrow triangular piece of the rim metal sticking to the planchet, showing on the struck coin as a normal part of the surface, but separated from the planchet metal by a fine crack, or showing as a shallow indentation if the rim burr has fallen out."

    There is no indentation other than the blade line. If there were, then I think it would be in the middle of the two lines and then it might be a Strike Through the Rim Burr, III-K-8. Thanks for everyone's help in identifying this coin.
     
  14. CashDude

    CashDude Member

    Definitely a struck in rim burr. You can clearly see the copper exposed where it peeled from and the shape of it.
     
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