Either I'm cross eyed, or this truly is the 1970s DDO

A penny and a dream. Hey look. Someone found that non-zinc small 82d

 

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And we all find error coins etc..

 

Happy Thanksgiving

 

It really is super hard to get that convincing shot, and here are the results. I tried my best. I also took shots with the coin in my hand so no one could say it's a fake shot. qq

 

I believe the only thing I'm seeing is die deterioration doubling.
Also it looks cleaned.
MUCH better pics.

 

@shilines With all due respect. If you have to take as many photos as you have, with different lighting, different angles, and different backgrounds, explaining what you see with the coin in hand, and trying incredibly hard to convince everyone who reads this thread that you have a '70-S ddo because they can't see it, wouldn't you say it is a far reach that you have what you so desperately want to believe you have?

There have been numerous highly respected numismatists and error experts who've responded to your query with nary a one of them in agreement with your assessment of your coin. I do not want to be disparaging to you or want you to give up your search for these elusive errors you are determined to find. However, this one just doesn't seem to possess the markers or the visual anomalies to confirm your suspicions.

Keep up the search. Keep your determination as you have, with the pedal to the metal. I believe one day you'll succeed and find your needle in a haystack. I just don't believe this one specimen is the one that checks off all the boxes.

Good luck and Happy Thanksgiving.

 

I thought I had a photo of a 1970S with similar appearance . Maybe a little
harder to see, but it is die deterioration of course. I have half an original roll someplace in the house, but all look alike. Notice the closeness to the rim of the word LIBERTY, especially the first letter. Jim

 

Also the MM is too far to the right.
Not the correct positioning for an FS101.

 

I appreciate your input! Happy Thanksgiving to you as well. I just thought that the more pictures I upload the better that way everyone could analyze it in every form and position. I never thought it to be the "big" one but perhaps one of the other ones. It's just strange how it has all the same die markers. If die markers don't matter then why do websites like Wexler's Coin Varieties take the time and highlight these features? I don't get it sometimes. I'm a member of another coin community website where I posted the coin, and over there I get more yes's than I do no's and some of these people are well respected in the coin community. Maybe I'll try another hobby because it's too confusing! Thank you and take care

 

You've been looking for 1970 DDO for many years since 2017 here and you seem to be Primarily focused on Die Markers instead of the Variety itself.

Dies Markers assist in identifying the stage of the die, not the Variety itself.
But Die Markers can be across a bunch of dies as they can originally come from the Working Hubs before any use.

Die markers are unique traces of events that have befallen a die. They include, but are not limited to, die scratches, die gouging, die dents, die damage, die clashing, die cracks, die chips, die breaks and even a misaligned die or die rotation.
Note: die markers do not make the coin examined a particular variety –
markers are used in unison with noted variety characteristics.
Many die markers that exist on a variety can be surprisingly similar to marks on a non-variety coin. Do not assume otherwise.
from The 9 Classes of Doubled Dies – CONECA (conecaonline.org)

You want to FIRST identify the Variety (ie, Doubled Die) then confirm it through Markers for a particular Die Stage as a form of Secondary identification.
Die Markers do NOT confirm a DD Variety on their own.

Overall, you're missing the part about Die Making and Usage.

(1) Master Hubs produce multiple Master Dies
(2) Master Dies produce multiple Working Hubs

(3) Working Hubs produce multiple Working Dies
The (4) Working Dies are used to make coins.

Example: If a (3) Working Hub accidentally makes a "Doubled Die" (4) Working Die then it would be that one accidental (4) Working Die. The (3) Working Hub may make 100 (4) Working Dies, with only ONE being Doubled Die. The "Original die markers" are from that (3) Working Hub and are the same across all those original 100 (4) Working Dies before use.

Thus for the example above you would have 1 of 100 Dies that is Doubled, which is 1% of the dies. But 100% have the same Die Markers from the Working Hub across all the dies before handling damage/ wear/ maintenance which is called "Die Stages".

You first Confirm the Doubled Die .... then for confirmation after that you can check the Die Markers for "stages of that specific die".

At least that's how I understand it.

For instance, Die Markers can help you understand how old the Die was.
The 1970 S -007 has currently FIVE distinct Stages of maintenance and wear. Stage A, B, C, D & E.
from Wexler's Coins and Die Varieties (doubleddie.com)


but some of those "original" markers may be from the Hub.

So you have a Doubled Die that you determine BASED upon the DD Indicators.
Then you can determine the age or "stage" of that die based upon Die Markers for that specific Doubled Die if you are interested in its particular Die Stage, assuming it has more than one identified. Remember, Dies start deteriorating after every slam of a coin, they are constantly deteriorating.

here's 1 chat I can find about it
What Are Die Markers? - Coin Community Forum

Hope that makes sense.

 

It does and thank you so very much. Good solid information that I will keep with me forever!

 

Well, I guess this discussion is just about over. Thank you for all of the advice, information, time, and feedback. More discussions coming right up because I have so many interesting coins. Hope all your belly's are full, and happy wishes until we meet again!