Wrong Diagnosis...

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Beautiful Coins, Dec 9, 2005.

  1. Beautiful Coins

    Beautiful Coins Bring Joy To Life**

    Have you ever pulled a coin from a MINT SET with die polish lines only visible under magnification? I pulled a 1962 Franklin and sent it to be graded because it looks to be MS65/66 with Full Bell Lines to the naked eye...

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    It was bodybagged and returned as "improperly cleaned" on the reverse. :confused:

    If you notice, the lines run UNDER the devices, not over them.

    Your comments are welcome. :smile
     
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  3. Speedy

    Speedy Researching Coins Supporter

    No but I have heard of it happening...next time something like that you can see leave it in the Mint packing and pay the $ to have to take it out...then they will know better ;)

    Speedy
     
  4. gmarguli

    gmarguli Slightly Evil™

    Actually, the coins are cut from the packages before the graders see them. The grader has no way of knowing that it was submitted to them in the cellophane.
     
  5. Beautiful Coins

    Beautiful Coins Bring Joy To Life**

    Thanks everyone for the input so far. Here is a closeup of the face...

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  6. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Very simply, the grading service messed up. What do you expect. They are in a hurry, and if they gt it wrong it's no skin off their nose, they've already been paid. Besides, maybe you'll send it in again and they'll get paid twice to do the job they should have done the first time.
     
  7. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member


    What does "under the device" mean.
     
  8. Old Silver

    Old Silver New Member

    So, they are saying that they will grade and slab it if it has been "properly cleaned"???? I didn't know there was a proper way to clean a coin!:)
     
  9. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    When a coin has hairlines from cleaning they will typicaly run across the field until they get CLOSE to the devices (but will not actually reach them) and then jump up and continue running across the top surface of the devices.

    Die polish lines will typically run across the field all the way up to the devices and then continue again on the other side of the device. Almost like the devices have been set down on top of the lines so that they seem to run UNDERNEATH the devices. The die polish lines do NOT normally appear on the devices.
     
  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    [QUOTE='Ol Silver]So, they are saying that they will grade and slab it if it has been "properly cleaned"???? I didn't know there was a proper way to clean a coin!:)[/QUOTE]

    Well - it's a matter of semantics, at least in the eyes of the grading companies. Do you define dipping a coin as cleaning ? They do not, at least as long as the coin is not over-dipped. And then of course there is conserving, like the service provided by NCS. They don't consider that as cleaning either. Whether you or I do or not is a matter of personal opinion.

    The grading companies use terms like improperly cleaned or harshly cleaned to describe coins they will not slab. And typically the coin will have mutiple hairlines or even scratches in the surface as a result of the cleaning. They also use the terms to describe coins with little or no remaining luster as a result of the cleaning - like when a coin has been over-dipped.

    But clean or dip a coin and leave no telltale signs as mentioned above - and they'll slab it.
     
  11. OldDan

    OldDan 共和党

    I have been thinking about this and figure there is a much easier way to remember all this:
    IF they dip and/or conserve your coin it is NOT improperly cleaned.
    IF you dip and/or conserve your coin it IS improperly cleaned, so forget sending it to have it graded and slabbed.
     
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