1970 D Type "M" Reverse Quarter New Purchase

In my experience of 1973-1988, I found 1 1969 D B for every 115 1969 D's examined.
Of course, today, the trick might be to find 115 1969 D's.

 

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Here is a thread that gives the results of two different searches of 700,000 quarter batches:

http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=766625&highlight_key=y

 

My 1970 mint set definitely has a Type M quarter. Bump. TC

 

Just found 3 Type M's - 2 in mint sets and 1 in my book. I was hoping for something different since one mint set came from New York and the other came from SanFrancisco. Both look nearly the same, except the one from SanFran looks as though there is an "extra" arrow point in between the first and second arrows. My eyes are slits as I am exhausted and will need to look more closely another day, but I thought this might be the 70D DDR that PAOC's was referring to in his CU post. Once again, I will need to relook at it when I am not so tired.

 

Thank you proofartoncircs and everyone else for this interesting thread.

True or false...
The 1970 D type M is relatively common, and more often than not, found in collector grade stocks of Washington quarters. The 69D, 71D, and 72D in both Type Ms and Bs are not.

 

True...TC

 

Thanks TC,

One other thing...
I remember reading that the upper portion of the Q in Quarter is an indicator for a 70D DDR. Does anyone have a good closeup comparison?

Ohhh.... I forgot to list a P that isn't common and forget the type and date.

 

Thank you proofartoncircs and everyone else for this interesting thread.

True or false...
The 1970 D type M is relatively common, and more often than not, found in collector grade stocks of Washington quarters. The 69D, 71D, and 72D in both Type Ms and Bs are not. >>


True.

But here is what I found in circulation about 1985. I checked 1,000 of each date and mint of interest as I searched the quarters.

1969 D 12.0 % were type M, but this is a low mintage compared to 1970 D.

1970 D 11.2 % were type M plus 4.4% were class III doubled dies from both M and regular ciculation hubs? (Mint sets and dealers' stock mostly type M.)

1970 P 6.3 % were type M plus 0.1% doubled die (probably only 1 involved here)
and again a rather low mintage.

Type B per centages, this time calculated on my entire 1973-1988 search were:
1969 D B 0.8%
1970 D B 0.1%
1971 D B 0.03%
1972 D B 0.01%

 

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<<One other thing...
I remember reading that the upper portion of the Q in Quarter is an indicator for a 70D DDR. Does anyone have a good closeup comparison?>>

There is also some master doubling in that same area (inside of the top) of Q, but to a lesser extent and more to the NE. It appears on the production dies of 1967 (rare) through 1972. It is also on Type M and the 1973-1974 since they were derived from the same master.

 

Proofartoncircs, In your opinion, should the coin pictured above be considered a normal M?

Thank You Sir

 

I will have to answer this in detail more later.
I think it is a class III (plus more) doubled die involving an M hub. It looks like the DD on the top of p214 of the CPG.

 

Type 'M'

Great thread - And thank you Stewart for the link to Mr. Wiles handout. Excellent SOLID information. . . . There is a similar thread going @ PCGS forum. Thx.

 

<<I will have to answer this in detail more later.
I think it is a class III (plus more) doubled die involving an M hub. It looks like the DD on the top of p214 of the CPG.>>

On further reflection, I best not go into more detail on exactly what your specimen yet. I am not an expert on doubled dies nor can I work from pictures well. I can identifed a class III doubled die made from an M and regular circulation hubs by its having M characteristics but in less relief than a true M. I found 4.4 % of 1970 D's in circulation to be doubled dies. That would require about 100 dies. Most were quite unspectacular. An unusual number of them showed rotation between hubbings of diffferent degrees and directions. Most of these are also unspectacular. A few are quite interesting.

Guessing as to what happened, I postulate the following.
1968 S M - Proof only issue. M master hub was modified from circulation style artwork. Approx 1,000 M dies used.
1969 D M - Leftover dies (approx 80) from San Francisco were used at Denver
1970 D and Philadelphia M - Somehow the M master was mixed in with the regular circulation hubs and M dies and doubled dies made. There must have been some problem in aligning thes two different hubs since so much rotational doubling also occurred.
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Proofartoncircs,

More great information, it is greatly appreciated. I has become quite exciting adding these
types to the list of varieties I enjoy hunting. Not sure how they will do as far as value
down the road. But that is for my son and my grand kids (Someday) to figure out.
For me I am just having fun.

Thank You

Terry

 

1970 D Type M Reverse Quarter Part of My collection!!!

Hey Stewart how are you doing? I'm 21 years old and have been collecting stamps and coins since I was about 4 years old. By the way, my name is Ryan. I just found this site last night doing some research on a few of my prized pieces but I noticed that you were looking to buy a 1970 D Mint Type M reverse quarter and That just had to be one of the things that i happened to take a look at becuz it didnt look like a normal quarter, so i had that instinct and sure enough its one, I also have 1 more 1970 and a 1969 all type M. My main collection is put away but heres a few things that I currently have. And NOT everything is for sale, Only doubles, I have a 1913 Buffalo Nickel, not in good shape tho, all the 1913s's dont have dates and they are all warn off but, Its the Type 2 because when Fraiser created the 2nd one he but the "buffalo" on flat ground and it actuallly wasnt a buffallo, he changed it to a bison, and what ppl dont know is that the main difference between type 1 and 2 is that the type one nickel actually only had three legs on the buffalo, however there is no date on mine I luckily have the type 2 Bison with 4 legs and I, 100% sure it is an offical 1913 bcuz Fraiser who made them changed the size of the nose on the indian and made the "FIVE CENTS" bigger and the Liberty part is sloppy. But the way u kno is if the animal on the reverse side has 3 or 4 legs and if he is standing on flat ground or a hill. ok lemme get to the good stuff. I have a 1967 C mint and I believe it is a M type and the same but its a 1969 and i have the 1970 too, but the 69 and the 70 are D mints. Ik they are real bcuz they stick out meaning the eagle and Washington's face protrudes out more than a normal quarter and the give away is the NO ARROW HEADS ON THE ARROWS they look like the eagles have their claws wrapped around logs, well sort of logs but not really they are more like a bundle of sticks which are supposed to be the arrows but with no arrow heads what so ever. Also, i have this really rare coin that i cant find any info on and what i did find is that it is rare. it is a 1740 sealed never opened about an inch in diameter all the way around. You can tell it wasnt struck, what i found out is that it is an offical silver Spanish Coin. Pure Silver. Oh and by the way, the, "buffalo" knickel i have from 1913 is a a rarer (not that rare) S-San Francisco Mint which the didnt make that many! But heres the story on the silver Spanish Coin. Its too long to type so im copying and pasting it.

In 1887, A local citizen, Mrs. Tassie Wilson, went to the territorial capital for a visit. During her stay, she and her friends discovered a plethora of Spanish coins hidden beneath the walls of old Fort Marcy. This incident, first reported by the Silver City Enterprise on September 30, claimed her find to be more than 2,300 coins, dated back to 1740 and 1726, which were donated to the Historical Society of New Mexico. The paper went on to state: “After the discovery was made, large numbers of Santa Fe citizens turned out and dug the whole country up in the vicinity of the fort, but without finding anything new.” The chaotic hunt was ultimately the destructive force that ended the remaining standing walls. The government sold the Fort Marcy location at an auction in 1891. The city of Santa Fe acquired the site on the hill in 1961, while landscaping it and establishing a scenic overlook of the city.

But by the way I'm a busy person and im not going to be on this site a lot. if u wanna get in touch with me my email is yamahamotox91@aim.com, i hope to here from ya Bye

 

Wait a sec............How can I know if the 69 D s a business strike or the NIFC of the type "?M"

 

What, I dont even know what that means. What are you speaking,"A business strike or the NIFc of the type M"