Does this seem real?

Oh - I looked for about 3 months.

 

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http://coins.heritagegalleries.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=398&Lot_No=93

Compared to this, it is a real bargain!

 

What I was saying is that in KY...if you go and talk about buying something and people tell you somethings about why to be leery of it and you do it anyway...you are at fault....that is just how us country guys work....
BTW--If you call the auction glatently false representation....why did you bid??..also I don't see how you can call it that anyway.....where in the auction did it say MS65??...where did it say that it was worth that???....no my friend...there wasn't any false representation.

3 months is a long time...but I took 5 years to look for 1 1909-S VDB cent...and it paid off....I could have gotten one back 4 years ago....but to add that ONE piece to a collection that will always mean something to you...it makes up for the time...

Uh...that is a proof....there hasn't been any points to show that yours is a proof.

Speedy

 

You just hate to give up don't you Speedy?
Some old moderator said:
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague." :hammer:

 

Well I have to say I haven't see a bit of proof that this is a proof....would you point it out??....I would be the first to say I'm wrong more than right....

Speedy

 

Nore have I Speedy, but that is NOT the point I'm trying to make.

 

You know, I want to visit Kentuky. Its one of the few places in the US I absolutely desire to see.

I wasn't looking for an MS 65 specifically. And I won't be unhappy if it is an AU 58. I will be unhappy if it is cleaned or the coin is not as represented in the photo.

That would be blatent misrepresentation.

But you can't look at a market like that. In fact, supply and demand charts are instantaneous snapshots of a market. I don't want to wait years anyway.

A few months is more than enoough time. Meanwhile I kept buying other coins which I wasn't satified with. If I to hold this one in my hand and smile, I'm good to go. If the breast feathers are faded, I'm going to be ****ed.

Yeah, but it has great details unlike all the rest of the less expensive ones I've seen BTW - what makes that coin proof. There is no cameo.

 

He's fine. I need honest feedback, not inhibited opinions If I needed an inhibited opinion I can ask my staff!

 

A proof coin DOESN'T have to have CAMEO to make it a proof.
Proof is a type of striking...it is rare to find many CAMEO coins before 1980's... (late 1970's)....proof coins from before that might have CAMEO but it doesn't make them not a proof if they don't...the strike...the rim...the reeding...the detail...are all things one must look at.
A proof coin is struck 2 or 3 times...a business strike is struck once.
I would suggest that if you plain on collecting you buy books and read them...I don't mean to sound mean but Buy the book BEFORE you buy or sell the coin.
Buy books on FE and IHC cents...buy books about the types of coins you like...and books on grading...that would help a lot to you.

Here is something to read....

Proof Coins are struck on specially prepared planchets of authorized metal from regular dies which have been polished . the method of manufacture purpose and even the name of proof coins have changed through the years but there are certain characteristics common virtually all issued....first the surface of a proof coins will disclose its special preparation whether brilliant or matte and not the abrasions that result from ordinary Mint handling. When a proof coin is ejected from the press (die) it is caught in a soft cloth (at least it use to be) and not permitted to collide with other coins.
Secondly proof coins have unusually sharp relief because they have always been struck n either a screw or hydraulic press instead of on fast-action toggle joint machines the former instead of exerting a quick blow at one leave of force yield a squeeze which permits the metal to penetrates more deeply into the delicate marking of the die, creating a fine, intricate embossing. this effect is accentuated by a succession of blows on the same planchet whereas business strikes receive only a outward from the center of the planchet which tends to build up along the edge. Because patterns are meant to display to the best purpose their particular design they have almost always been struck as proofs. In fact the 1792 Mint Act-- a copper pattern for a disme was struck as a proof. However we are now concerned with coins not patterns and for the moment with those only that have been struck in their authorized metal.

In the early days of the Mint, the equivalent of what we now call proofs were known as master or specimen coins. THey were not made with the case or experience that later issues enjoyed, and the occasion was generally dictated by some internal circumstance such as a new design. For example, when the 1793 Wreath cent replaced the unpopular chain design, a few specimens were struck on polished planchets that had been carefully centered on the die. Whether or not one calls these proofs they were obviously made to represent the best work the Mint could do at the time.

Beginning in 1907 the mint introduced various new proof surfaces with each change of design. The proof eagles and double eagles of that year show a satin finish, while the proof quarters eagles are half eagles struck in 1908 have a darker, matte surface. The 1909 Lincoln cents are found with both satin and matte finishes, the 1913-16 Indian head nickels with a not vary convincing matte surface. Matte proof number among the new silver coins for 1916, but a satin finish dime is also known for that year. Other matte proofs include the 1921-22 peace dollars and many commemorative issues. The sandblast finish is found on the Hawaiian memorial half dollar, and the gold coins from 1912-16. the matte finish was produced by pickling the planchets in dilute acid, the sandblast by pelting the planchets with a fine stream of sand [projected by compressed air. The satin finish is probably a variation of the matte , using polished dies. Brilliant proof sets resumed in 1936 and were issued regularly to 1942. The practice was then discontinued until 1950 to 1964 and then discontinued until 1968
From all this it should be clear that the term proof doesn't signify a premium condition one stop above UNC but a special coinage. when this fact is properly understood the collector will be ale to reject many first strikes and refurbished coins offered as proof.
First compare the relief of the purported proof of that of an UNC coin...then lay the 2 coins side by side and examine their respective width. also look at the surface of your proof through a magnifying glass. the the tiny lines you see are raised they are result of the die polishing and are not scratches. Finally examine the recessed areas of the coins. Are they polished as they should be on a proof? Remember what is the lowest on the coin is the highest on the die and receives the soundest buffing.

You know...I don't see anywhere where it says you get the coin that is shown.......

Neither did I...but it was worth it....

I disagree...but I'm glad we don't think the same...

I hope I'm not sounding mean or hard headed...(maybe I am hard headed) but I would say this to any forum member....and I'm sorry if I have been.

Speedy

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/Superb-US-1858-...ryZ11942QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem#ebayphotohosting

 

That is a nice one for sure--2 things I would wonder about...
#1....why isn't this slab....maybe its because of #2
#2....how could they keep that RED after 148 years....I wonder if it could be recolored...(dipped)

Speedy

 

This was the kind of coin I was looking at in the market place when I brought the other coin. It is very red and you would think that at this point, at about $780 it looks like somewhat of a steal.

OTOH, I bet it goes for a lot more before it is finished. Its hard to see how it can be that detailed and dipped. I'll take your word.

Ruben

 

Correction, it is a buy it now item at the moment for that price...

 

I agree...that would be a steal if it is real...I just wonder why its not slabbed.

The dipping doesn't take away detail but it will put a fake looking luster almost....some people will take a dull lifeless coin and dip it and make it look WHITE and nice...it has been said that 90% of WHITE UNC Morgan dollars have been dipped.

Speedy

 

Agggg

The deal is finished. He won't ship it to me without requiring a signature and I can't be here to sign for it. I Hate Ebay...

 

Maybe if others mail this guy and remind him that he's not likely to get this price for his coin again and that he has Insurance as OPTIONAL on the offer sheet, then he'll see the light and ship it to me without needing a signature.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8358749828&rd=1&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:IT&rd=1

chris stevens
237 e. high st
pottstown pa 19464
phone # toll free 1-800-523-0436
we have done almost 10,000 auctions on ebay since 1998... u wont have any problem,,, ist class piority insured is the way it will go thnaks again chris

 

If I was sending that kind of coin for that kind of money I would want a sig too....some people would tell him they never got it....
Can he ship it to a firend of yours that could sign for it??

Speedy

 

You know what, Heritage just sent me $700.00 in coins with no signature required. The Mint sent me gold eagles the same way. Harlan sent me no signature required, and his offering says insurance OPTIONAL.

I don't need it to go to a fried, aside which they all work. He just needs to do the right thing and live up to the deal.

Ruben

 

Man, feel for ya Ruben. If I knew ya better (or at all really), I'd offer to help ya out. Trust worthy doormen are worth their weight in gold, specially with more and more things be bought online, specially in NYC

 

We'll I live in a private house in Brooklyn. I'm sick of having to drag myself out to the middle of nowhere in a hostile East New York Ghetto to pick up packages at my sleep hours.

Its very fustrating. Let him try to find someone else who will pay that price, or he can go play in traffic. Or he can just ship it.

Ruben