1943 s error weak 4

Anyone ever see a steel like this one?

 

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Take it out of the protection with staples; they can rust and ruin the coin.

 

I haven't, but I've seen other coins with weak features. In those cases it's generally been attributed to a grease filled die...a temporary condition that can cause some of the detail to appear weak.

Value? ...I think there should be some extra value, but many folks say "no". I think your coin is interesting and more rare than an average strike.

 

to answer your question no I havent. But I am not a penny guy. Lucky for you this place is full of them and somebody will be able to help you im sure


Welcome to CT

 

Please explain yourself on your explanation..Coins normally arent stored in a humid place that could cause a staple to rust. So, it shouldnt rust then correct? Also, then how are you to keep the 2 x 2 closed to prevent damaging the coin or cause AT?

 

I was given six rolls of steel Lincolns by my father. Somebody paid for booze with them at the grocery store in the 80's where he worked. I found a ton of those with a weak 4, say 40-50 out of three hundred. I think they are quite common and nothing rare although your coin looks like its in pretty decent shape. I asked around too and got the same answer.

 

I checked Cherrypickers' and Breen for any die varieties, but I don't seen any listed...other than RPM's.

 

The steel to steel contact affected the dies of the 1943 more than originally thought. There were die clashes, die breaks and worn devices during this year. Just a common thing along with the re-processing the coins that ruined them for collecting as well. Nice to see BU ones. Unfortunately this coin is not a BU coin. Reprocessed....

 

OK...that's something new (to me)...what is "reprocessing"?

 

I have two of the same coin.

 

Re-plating the zinc back on the coins of circulated examples. The surface has too much luster and the re-plating magnifies the magnifies the imperfections on the coin. The original look of the steel cents are not shinny, but dull looking. Wish I had some images to post. I guess that will probably be my next project.

 

...and why did they re-plated the coin? ...to give it more luster?

 

It may have been rusty, or they wanted to make them look like an un-circulated coin. What they did by re-plating ii was to ruin the collect able value for the real collectors and hook a few suckers in on the unwary new collectors. Just another form of recycling/ruining the future status to real collectors. I bought some one time off eBay and they went back the next day. The sell said she didn't know they were re plated. Gave a full return price and an apology.

 

Not exactly like it, but similar. Anyone remember this coin?

 

Unless it is a stainless steel staple, moisture in the air can react with the metal over a period of time. Here are 3 Morgans in 2x2 with staples. Notice that rust is not apparent, but look at the toning pattern in each one. It can happen with copper also ( especially BU).

Below that is one I had slabbed.

Jim

 

That is one of the best posts I have seen in a while.

 

Do I need to staple farther away from the coin then? Almost the entire collection of my favorite coins are in 2x2 mylar flips. Reprocessed. Is this a fake coin then or was this done when it was made? I have never been able to find an error coin. This, I thought, was my first one. Thanks for all the responses. I have hundred's of 1955 wheats and never found the double die. What is the 1955 poor man double die?

 

Unless you seal the coin in a completely air ( gas) tight container, there will always be a possibility of interaction. Vigilance is the key. I don't believe the slabs that really expensive coins reside are much better. It is all relative. I had these Morgans in a Bank SDB and this occurred after 10 years of me not really checking them. It also happened to some in slabs. Mea culpa.

In the older days not as much was known by most collectors regarding cleaning, chemical reactions, and the idea of not damaging coins was not as strong. Here is an advertisement of a company from the Numismatic Scrapbook, one of the premier journal of the 1960s. Notice it says you have to provide the coins to process ( legal). This accounts for many of the " I have a 1943 Copper cent~ Am I rich yet" threads. Thus same company also offered reprocessing your worn '43 into bright shining ones. I will try to find that ad and photograph also.



Although it has been done, the 1955/55 Doubled die Lincoln ( here is mine) is unlikely to be found in the "wild". They were not released equally across the US, and were recognized early



The 1955 "poorman's " is not an actual doubled die, it is apparent doubling (not) of the last 5 due to deterioration of the die. Many used it for albums that had a hole for 1955/55 just to fill it.

Hope this helps.

Jim

 

Wow....that is jaw dropping. Thanks for the information Jim! I can't believe a company could put an add in a magazine for that and not get in trouble for de-facing currency. I think I will still hold onto this one, for comparison with the other shiny steels.

 

As this from the Mint site says , you can do these things as long as you are not Fraudulently representing it as anything other than an altered, defaced, mutilated, etc., coin.

I have seen several threads on a different website where posters are interpreting AT toning as violating this law. I don't think so unless you state in trying to sell that it is NT (IMO)

However there are laws against melting cents and nickels to obtain the metal. Not against melting silver, gold, platinum though as I read them.