1801 Large Cent - Attribution Pls?

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  1. CheetahCats

    CheetahCats Colonial & Early American

    Can someone please provide guidance as to attribution?

    I acquired this specimen today from a dealer in Vienna VA.

    I used my new axial lighting setup to shoot the images, for whatever that's worth...

    Thanks, kindly

    CheetahCats
     

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  3. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    I have no clue as to the attribution, but I like your photos!
     
  4. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    That is an easy one: S-221 - High 01, corrected fraction (1/100 corrected from 1/000).
    The 1/0 is plain to see on your coin. Low Rarity 2 coin.

    Nice coin BTW.
     
  5. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Bout time you got to some moderns rather than colonials. :) Nice coin.
     
  6. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    I was going to say, unusual to see Cheetah dabbling in "modern" coins.
     
  7. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    I confirm the S-221 attribution. Note the position of the Highest Wave of Hair and the second highest wave of hair, the position of the first one in relation to the curl and hair, and the relative spacing of the date. 1 80 1 with the 0 higher than the 8 making this Obverse 8. The Reverse G is the sole corrected fraction for the year.

    It is a middle die state since there is evidence of the break over STA that later develops into a full blown CUD.
     
  8. CheetahCats

    CheetahCats Colonial & Early American

    Thanks all. Appreciate it! :thumb:

    Would Sheldon's Penny Whimsy suffice for attributions, and include photographs/illustrations?
     
  9. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Penny Whimsy is good, but not the 1990 or later edition. Many people like the 1976 edition but I prefer the 1958 or 1965 editions. Even better is the Noyes book United States Cents 1793 - 1814, or Walter Breen's Encyclopedia of Early United States Cents 1793 - 1814. The Noyes book is a little better but considerably more expensive. (Noyes is basically Penny Whimsy with better and much larger plates.). Breen's pictures are not as good as Noyes but there is a lot more information in the book.

    The only way to get the Noyes book is to buy the set of the early and middle date books at a cost of $250. The Breen book can be found in the $75 to $100 range but it is out of print now and is getting to be more difficult to find. Penny Whimsy is still in print which is keeping the prices for bother the recent and the older editions down. The 1990 editin (Don't do it.) is $50 and the older editions can be found in the $50 to $75 range. (Befor ethe 1990 edition came out the older editions were reaching the $125 to $150 level.)

    Other even cheaper way to do attributions are auction catalogs. The Wes Rassmuson sale (Heritage I believe), and the Goldberg sales of the Ted Naftzger and Dan Holmes sales are all superb for large quality images of almost all or in the case of Dan Holmes ALL of the early date varieties. These fall short in that they do not include a description of the die diagnostics. So combine one of those with a copy of either of these Superior Galleries auctions, 1986 Robinson S Brown Sale, or 1989 Jack Robinson Sale. They have all of the Sheldon numbers and most of the NC varieties, every coin pictures with the diagnostics of each listed. The shortcoming of those sales is the photos are as good as the later sales and they are actual size rather than enlarged. You should be able to get a copy of any of these for around $20 or less each. The Naftzger and Holmes collections are viewable online at the Goldbergs website.
     
  10. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    They are good as far as the collectible varieties, but there are several new NC varieties which are not in Penny Whimsy.

    For those, I use:

    http://www.icollector.com/The-Pre-Long-Beach-Sale_as14916

    This has all the known varieties including NCs from the Holmes Sale. Now I admit that I have copied these onto my hard drive out of fear they will remove them to clear up room for more auction pictures.
     
  11. CheetahCats

    CheetahCats Colonial & Early American

    Thanks Conder. As always you have great guidance which is spot on. :thumb:

    I have a lead on the 1958 and 1965 editions for Penny Whimsy. I also see that Breen's book (2000 edition) is available via BIN on ebay.

    I'm thinking I'll start with getting these two for my library, and perhaps pursue Noyes a bit later.
     
  12. CheetahCats

    CheetahCats Colonial & Early American

    Thanks for the lead on this! I appreciate it. I understand why you'd want to save it down to your hard disk. You didn't happen to save it into a document format, did you? ;) Or perhaps in a transferable manner?
     
  13. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Unfortunately, they are saved as individual jpg files which tend to resort themselves periodically. I can always send a copy of any photo, but not all of them at once. Fortunately, there's no need to until they remove the auction archive.
     
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