Type II Franklin Halves

<<Message to Proofartoncoins: Why aren't the type II reverses recognized in Cherrypickers? And why don't the TPGs recognize these very obvious varieties?>>

I don't know why they aren't in the CPG yet. Perhaps the 1958 and 1959 varieties are too common for their own good. I hope they make the next edition. The 1959 doubled die reverse is there already which is a type I and II combined.

I don't think PCGS or the others will recognize them until they are in the CPG.

 

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Jace...

pick on Ruben day was 2 Days Ago :computer:

 

There's an edit button for a reason. No need to double-post 2 minutes apart. Seriously... you've got to be the most annoying person I've ever seen on any forum.

 

its kind of weird being lectured to on using software I had a hand in writing and debugging ...

 

Let me clue you in about something. When two members with a combined 18000 posts are conversing with each other, who also have a combined 8 years of fun on this forum, you'd be better off sort of listening until you understand the dynamic of the forum, or at least being less rude.

Ruben

 

Anyway - I'm adding as an exhibit. Exhibit:

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Thanks Jace


Ruben

 

I'm sorry, but if most of your 10k+ posts are similar to that thread, then you should have, maybe, ~1k at most. You multi-post when a simple edit would do, post the same thing twice in a row (Look at this thread, just above us, as an example) and generally just irritate me to no end with your horribly subpar forum etiquette.

In addition, post-count means jack when looking at the reputation of a poster, partially for the reasons listed above, and partially due to the fact that just because I haven't broken a thousand posts yet doesn't mean I know nothing compared to you. In regards to the "dynamic of the forum" as you would say, I think that's something you may need to figure out. I don't see anybody posting 20 times on two pages of a thread besides you.

The other person posting in that thread was posting properly, mind you. Forming a thought, thinking about what they wanted to say, then responding in one post, not 6 or 8 or however many posts you were using. What I'm trying to say is you suck at using forums, and really should work on getting your **** together before calling someone else out. I'm sorry I like to tell it the way I see it.

EDIT: Oh, see what I do when I have a thought to add? I edit my post! Novel concept!

 

Did you want me to show you how to use the ignore feature? I use it from time to time. And YOU can too.

Ruben

 

Redacted.

 

Mods: When you have a moment, can you clean up this thread. Its is a really nice thread that has gotten a bit off topic. Sorry...


Thanks
Ruben

 

Gentlemen kindly get back on topic Attacks on other members will not be tollerated is that understood!

 

Thank you very much for that info. I really like this 1959 DDR Franklin variety and think it is under-appreciated/under-valued. As Joe clearly posted in his pics above, it is cool to see doubling in 3 distinct areas of the reverse (eagle, bell handle, and lettering). IMO, this is no minor variety. TC

 

Hey, guys. I'm a long time collector, new time Franklin nut. You guys listed several features of the Franklin reverse that a collector can use to distinguish a Type I vs. a Type II, but let us not forget that there are two sides to a coin. Are there any diagnostic features of the obverse that one can use to distinguish between the varieties?

jaceravone: I'm slightly confused and wondering if you can clear the water a bit. You mentioned as well as pointed out a couple spots for the DDR. Just for my clarification, the Type II isn't always doubled die is it? It's just the FS801, and not necessarily the Type II correct? For clarification because I know that sentence was horrible, the DDR isn't a result of the Type II strike, it's simply an added bonus for the variety?

Thanks!

 

<<Thank you very much for that info. I really like this 1959 DDR Franklin variety and think it is under-appreciated/under-valued. As Joe clearly posted in his pics above, it is cool to see doubling in 3 distinct areas of the reverse (eagle, bell handle, and lettering). IMO, this is no minor variety. >>

Heck, there is more doubling than that especially in the area of EPU. Oops, sorry, I guess that is lettering. The biggest doubling displacement I would say is the dot to the left of E. E itself is obviously doubled as well as S and M. The doubling on M runs in different directions.

 

<<Hey, guys. I'm a long time collector, new time Franklin nut. You guys listed several features of the Franklin reverse that a collector can use to distinguish a Type I vs. a Type II, but let us not forget that there are two sides to a coin. Are there any diagnostic features of the obverse that one can use to distinguish between the varieties?

jaceravone: I'm slightly confused and wondering if you can clear the water a bit. You mentioned as well as pointed out a couple spots for the DDR. Just for my clarification, the Type II isn't always doubled die is it? It's just the FS801, and not necessarily the Type II correct? For clarification because I know that sentence was horrible, the DDR isn't a result of the Type II strike, it's simply an added bonus for the variety?

Thanks! >>

Offhand, I don't have answers for the obverse question. The reverse works just fine to identify them.

I am not aware of any doubling on the type II.

The doubling on the doubled die is due to a die made from both Type I and Type II hubs. In the old days before the doubling was noted, it was called a type III.

 

Here is my latest 1959 Franklin DDR. Enjoy! TC

 

Take it easy bro.

 

Km, till you get the lay of the land you would do well to take a back seat and just observe .....



BTW, welcome to the forum. :smile

 

Nice Frankie TC!

Thanks everyone for your comments. Since I am more of a modern coin collector, we modern guys bear a cross that is sometimes painful to carry...excuse the description. We collect coins that we end up spending more on than what the coin is worth or many times we will buy a coin that often goes down in value. At least this is my experience. Take a look at my albums. As you will see, there is nothing rare there by any means, but I have spent a great deal of time and money assembling my collection. Every now and then, a coin comes around that ends up being worth more than what I paid or better yet grows in value over the years. These Franklins are a few of those coins.

Coin collecting to me lost its value and fun over the years. There is no more joy collecting modern stuff because of the above mentioned issues plus a dozen more than any one of us can think of. But I have finally found my fun again. I love cherrypicking. This is what collecting is all about in my opinion. This brings the fun back into coins. I love going to a show now and taking the time to search for a doubled die or other variety that no one is looking for and then having it turn out to contain some additional value above what I paid for the coin. 99% of the time, you can buy a nice MS64-65 Frankin for $8-12. I only buy Type II reverses and 2 of them were lucky enough to be the FS801 variety. But this takes time and research. There is nothing easy about cherrypicking. THere are many shows that I now walk away without spending a dime whereas years ago, I would spend everything in my pocket just of because I had it.

The other fun part is really learning about the coin. The how and why it was created and how it impacts the rest of the coins around it. Anybody can collect anything and there comes a certain knowledge and expertise to that, but when you start collecting the varieties, this is what separates the you from the rest of the crowd. Glad that everyone enjoys the coins and I appreciate everyones input especially proofartoncoins. Ya know your stuff and I appreciate you sharing it. And yes Rubin, I would be honored for you to add my coin to your exhibit. Lets keep this thread on track and show off those Type II coins and their varieties.

Here is a set I just got back. Unfortunately, the pics are horrible and I can't share with you all what a wonderful set this is, so let me try to explain it. I bought these two coins off a fellow CTer and personal friend who lives close by. He bought these two coins from someone else who pulled them out of a roll. So these two Franklins were "endcaps" for a roll. The side that was exposed was nicely toned and the other side was blast white. When I saw them, I immediately thought to the two coin set that is on NGC's website. I wanted that same set, so I sent these in. It was then that I noticed that both were Type II's which made these coins even that more interesting. Someday I may get better pics, but for now this is what we are stuck with. Hope you enjoy. :hail:

 

Modern man re-inventing himself. I like that Joe. Been experiencing a little evolution myself......