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Roy, you are, of course, correct.

My parents and grandparents told me many stories of the love/hate relationship regarding FDR. As a former history teacher, I am also aware of the feelings held for Jackson and Lincoln.

If I could revise my statement, I'd probably remove the word "Starting."

The hatred for Clinton and Bush are the most recent in a long line. As I look back at recent history, I recall some dislike for Ike, JFK, Johnson, Nixon, Carter, etc., but not all the venom-spewing rhetoric you hear, especially from the right and left wings.

Hopefully, down the road, regardless of party, someone will come along who can unite the country rather than divide.

 

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Amen to a uniter leading this country after the last decade of hatefulness towards two very different presidents.

A couple of questions concerning the new presidential/spouse series about to be signed into law:

First, why two Grover Cleveland coins? Seems unfair somehow, especially as it would have been no problem at all to incorporate the years of both terms onto a single coin.

Secondly, who on earth picked Alice Paul to represent Chester Arthur's term since his wife had already died years before he became president. Just what this series didn't need was another Susan B added to it! And what about James Buchanan? He was a bachelor, so wonder who will represent him on the 'spouse' coin?

Finally, wonder if the mint will clean up its act regarding the composition/finish of the dollar coin to hopefully do away with the nasty discoloration the current coins get after only a short period in circulation. No one is going to want to save these new dollar coins from circulation if they look terrible.

 

Well I think they will still be coins...but more like proof coins...or non-circulated coins and that will be odd....
I don't think it makes a person an non collector if they collect them...I'm still going to call you a coin collector---we just don't collect the same coins and that is GREAT!!!!!!
If we all did it would be bad as prices would go up as everyone would be trying to get that last one coin.

Speedy

 

BTW--I wounder...if you get back in history you find that we had a President for 24 hours in-between inauguration <sp?> (I think it was Grant that came after him but don't quote me on that).....so IMO he was just as much a President than some that we have had---why shouldn't he get a coin??????

Speedy

 

On March 4, 1849 President-elect Zachary Taylor was to be inaugurated, but he refused as it was a Sunday and did not wish to break the Sabbath. Because of this, some have argued that neither Taylor nor his Vice President Millard Fillmore had any legal authority as president. They go on to argue that, as the previous President's term had expired at noon, David Rice Atchison was Acting President for the day. Both claims are heavily disputed by historians and Constitutional scholars (see the article on Atchison for more detail).

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Facts behind the legend
While it is true that the offices of President and Vice President were vacant, Atchison in fact was not next in line. While the terms of James K. Polk and Vice President George Mifflin Dallas expired at midnight on March 4, Atchison's tenure as President Pro Tempore did as well. He also never took the oath of office, although there is no constitutional requirement, then or now, for an Acting President to do so. No disability or lack of qualification prevented Taylor and Fillmore from taking office, and as they had been duly certified as President-elect and Vice-President elect, if Taylor was not President because he had not been sworn in as such, then Atchison, who hadn't been sworn in either, certainly wasn't.

Atchison was sworn in for his new term as President Pro Tempore minutes before both Fillmore and Taylor, which might theoretically make him Acting President for at least that length of time; however, this also implies that any time the Vice President is sworn in before the President, the Vice President is the de facto Acting President. Since this is a common occurrence, if Atchison is considered President, so must every Vice President whose inauguration preceded that of the President. Obviously this is not the case. Therefore, while one could argue that Atchison was legally President for a few minutes (though even this much is debatable), claims that he should be considered an "official" President are absurd.

When asked what he did on March 4, 1849, Atchison replied, "I went to bed. There had been two or three busy nights finishing up the work of the Senate, and I slept most of that Sunday." He jokingly boasted that his "presidency" was the "most honest administration this country ever had."

 

I don't care much it we call him a president or not...he didn't do anything but that is about what some others in the office have done.
I just want to know if the Mint will call him a president and if not why not?

Speedy

 

What would happen in the case where the president was married when he was elected, but the first lady died before he was sworn in to office? Thinking specifically of the case of Rachel Jackson, who was married to Andrew Jackson when he was elected, but Rachel died before he was sworn in. She still get a coin?

 

She should.

For sentimental reasons. She probably meant more to Andy than anything else in his world.

 

SOME dislike for Johnson, Nixon, Carter, etc? You're kidding right? Johnson was loathed by the time he left the 1968 race, and his popularity made Nixon look downright loved, and remember, Nixon-hating was a requirement for membership in the Democratic party!! Carter's numbers were down to 23% in 1979 and he got 41% of the vote in 1980, half of which were cast for him only because they thought that Reagan was the devil incarnate [which he may very well have been] In 1952, Truman LOST the New Hampshire primary, that was a unique event in American history...when he left office, he a only a quarter of the populus supporting him in most polls.

Hoover couldn't make a speech for about three years after he left office he was so hated. They threw tomatoes at Cleveland.

Dispising and disrespecting presidents is a long and venerated american tradition.

 

This is what I think exactly! I wish they had passed a dump the presidents from coinage bill and replaced the ones we currently have with true artistic coinage!

As for the 1c going away it will as soon as it cost 1.000000000009 cents to produce. It almost met its devise in the early 80's until the switched to copper plated zinc.

 

I agree. This will be a popular set with the public. I think it's great and am looking forward to the set, but then I'm a US history buff and will like this kick in the pants to learn (relearn) more about our presidents as the Westward Journey series has done for the L&C Expedition.

I think the fact of a coin circulating or not won't affect the popularity. I love $2 bills. I don't think I've ever received one in change. I also like half dollars, but my bank doesn't "carry" them.

It certainly is based on hype, but then most (all?) collecting is based on hype. Why pay more than face value for anything or set it aside to take up space?--except that it's special to you.

I think the more the Mint does things like this the more casual collectors there will be who will enjoy one other aspect of their life.

 

What empire? What leader worship? Bush is near the lowest in popularity he's been EVER. Clinton was never that popular,and Reagan was beloved by most of the nation only during the week or so after he died.

Washington and Lincoln maybe, but Filmore? Ford? Nah....

Also, there were a presidential stamp series during the 1930s which was very popular, and it's fun history. Besides, Mexico has dead presidents on it's coinage, and so do many a latin American country. Poland and the Czech republic had quite a few national heroes on the coinage. I've got a de Gaulle franc from France, and the two deutchmark coins in west Germany had all the dead chancellors on them. So what?

It's LIVING, CURRENT presidents on the money that show corruption, not the dead ones.

 

Come on guys...this is getting close to a political talk...and we know that the Coin Forum isn't the place for that....
Take it to the General Discussion forum if you must talk about it....

Speedy

 

As a coin collector I'm a bit hesitant with this series. A lincoln cent set might be nice capped with a Lincoln dollar...aesthetically speaking.

Other than that, maybe its just a govt plot to garner public favor by later claiming it was "done to bolster our ailing education system....these will do for history what the state quarters did for geography." Its not like the govt has ever "thrown money" at our education system before in attempts to repair it.

I'm still hoping I win the lotto so I can buy every single Hillary coin minted......and then melt them down and recast them as.....hold that thought...I gotta go take a leak.

 

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