Most Obscure US Coin Facts

It was because of the influence of New Yorkers that Congress passed the Act of 1864 (the first of two acts) that began the prohibition of private issuance of money. I think it would be pretty nice at times to print up a wallet full before heading to the malls to Christmas shop.

 

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Congress must like Ohio to the same degree they "dislike" New York. They let Ohio keep pretending to be a state, even though they are not. I think I've told this story here before, so this is just the short version.

In 1803, Ohio met the population requirements and filed for statehood. Heard nothing back, thought all was well, and started acting like an "official" state.

In 1953 Ohio officials wanted to display statehood papers for the 150th anniversary. It was then discovered that the original papers were never signed, meaning Ohio was never really a state for all those years.

1953 - Congress votes to make Ohio a state, which they can do, but they also made it retroactive to 1803, which they were not allowed to do, so technically the vote became null and void, leaving Ohio in limbo. No further action was ever taken.

Why do I have to pay Ohio state taxes, and why does Ohio have a state quarter?

 

Cwokenman-

Is the glass realy twice as big as required? As an Engineer I would have to say the structure exhibts a safety factor of 2, which should be enough to provide a moderate protection against spilliage. In fact I could make a strong case that a SF of 2 ,such as in this case, would translate to at least a 95 percent confidence interval. I can't say for sure with out the actual dimensions of the glass, but I did assume a standard glass configuration and performed the analysis from that.

Therefor I conclude that the glass is just right!

 

Andy the Celts have the highest rate of Alchoholism going too much drink and we start to brood LOL

De Orc :mouth:

 

West Virgina is also Illegal!

Ruben

 

If I clean my Morgan Dollar with Scotch does its value go up or down?

Ruben

 

The Morgan dollar or the Scotch?

 

I can't think of anything witty to reply in this druncken stupor

Ruben

 

Morgan, good questions and thoughts! Unknown criteria as to the glass's intended usage and its actual design could certainly allow for tremendous sway either way as to best actual size. While a 2 SF can often be good for many applications, that may not be enough in some situations, as well as too much in others. Each scenario (or type of scenario) needs an independent evaluation to be truly accurate.

I feel a 2 SF is a bit high for general drinking glass usage. I know if I ordered a pop (soda for some) from McBurger's, and it was only "half" full, I would feel slighted and definitely would initiate a conversation to receive the rest of my portion. I suspect most customers would behave in a similar fashion.

I agree with your "at least 95 percent confidence interval" for a 2 SF, probably more like 99.9. Assuming glass usage is only by "normal" adults, spillage with that type of SF would almost be relegated to a stumble, or perhaps thoughtlessly checking the time on their wrist watch (being worn on the glass holding appendage). In such cases, even a higher SF would not likely prevent spillage. Such a scenario as I am envisioning would be wasteful of construction material(s) in making the glass, and hence would not be well engineered. However, other scenarios may benefit from a high SF, such as when young children are involved, or those with certain health issues. Or a lid could be used rather than a high SF. A lid has definite advantages while sipping those hot drinks when driving.

I base my claim that the glass is twice as big as it needs to be on the following reasoning:

1. Even a "full" glass typically is not filled clear to the rim of the glass, but some volume is left unused. This is typically a small SF, and will vary depending on the filler and their skill at filling and skill of the glass user. (I suppose that is why some food vendors dispense pre-determined amounts of drink, to reduce the variables.)

2. Assumption is made that the filler has understanding of cause/result/possibility of spillage, and would allow a SF that they feel is suitable and acceptable for the situation upon filling the glass.

3. Half of the "full" volume of liquid would be the "half" glass, somewhat less than one half the actual volume of the glass.

4. Spillage due to sloshing of the liquid in the glass is affected by a number of variables - viscosity, volume, depth, additives (ice, straws, lemons, etc.) to name but a few. Volume and depth are variables which would change when going from a full glass to a half glass, both generally tending to reduce the liklihood of spillage. Hence, IMO, the SF may be reduced as well if so desired. But even if the SF is left the same, the unused volume of the glass can still be halved from the full state.

5. Size of the needed glass is only being considered for the "half full" or "half empty" scenarios commonly cited.

6. Hence, I deduce that if the glass and amount of liquid were half of their original amounts, the smaller glass would still perform as well or better than the larger glass containing twice the volume.

Now if you go back for a refill, there may be a problem. :mouth:

 

When you're feeling better, tomorrow perhaps, I would like to hear why West Virgina is also illegal, LOL.

 

No state can be created from the terrritory of any other state...that's from the constitution

 

And here I always thought Chicago was the first colony. And if the Mint ever hated any place, it is Chicago but thier to afraid of all the gansters to even mention the name.

 

Interesting, I didn't know that! Nevada probably is illegal as well. Normally a territory has to have a population of 25,000 before it can apply for Statehood, but the republicans wanted to hurry an get NV in as a new state before the upcoming election so they rushed the statehood bill for NV through even though the area only had 21,000 people.

They can still solve the WV problem. The Constitution does allow for the creation of a state from the territory of another state if that state approves of the creation of the new state. (Frankly KY used to be part of the state of VA as well. I wonder if they got VA approval for it becoming a state? Maybe they didn't have to since KY isn't a state, it's a Commonwealth.)

Since OH isn't actually a state, can we void all the bills signed into law that were signed by Presidents that were born in OH? The Constitution says that to be President you have to be a natural born citizen of the United States. Does being born in a territory owned by the US but not a state count?

 

Hey hey hey, everyone is forgetting Maine! Popham Colony

Popham Colony, on the shores of the Kennebec river, was founded only a few months after jamestown, and ulike the latter, didn't suffer the utter disasters that Jamestown did.

 

Actually, I'm pretty certain that West Virginia is unique in being illegal.

In the case of Nevada, it was just statute that set the population goals for territories and they could change them at the will of Congress.

While the State of Kentucky and every other western territory was CLAIMED by eastern states, as part of the adoption of the Constituiton states had to give up their western claims, and so Kentucky was never actually part of Virginia.

But West Virginia was clearly cleaved, involuntarily I might add, as a direct result of the civil war. I believe that if Virginia sued West Virginia and the US goverernment (if that is possbile) that the Supreme Court would need to put WV back into Virginia.

Ruben

 

Yeah that is right. I grew up down there and I know that.

 

as per Kentucky, with the approval of the current constitution all the states gave up their claims to their western territories which included Ohio for NY and Ky for Va.

Ruben

 

I have an argument that could possibly make WV legal. Virginia had left the union and so when the people of the area that became WV applied for admission it could be considered as coming from foreign territory and not being formed from another state.

Some will say that the Civil War demonstrated that a state could not leave the Union which woul make the above argument void, but I wold say that the outcome of the war proves that leaving the Union WAS possible and that the southern states were successful in doing so since after the war ended the southern states were not treated as if they were still a part of the Union and they had to meet certain guidelines, pass various laws etc before they would be RE-ADMITTED to the Union. Now if they had to be RE-ADMITTED then they must have left the Union. And it took a few years before all of the states rejoined the union. (During the meantime even though some of the states sent representatives to Congress, they were refused being seated until thier state was re-admitted. So VA was no longer a State and the petition of the people of WV to be admitted as a state was legal.

But did they change the statute or just ignore the violation of the statute?

And I didn't notice a kind of addition to this "error" in the thread

Part of the commemoration on the Booker T Washington half was for his birthplace, listed on the coin as Franklin County VA.