Body Bag Question

You don't....but the owner does
BTW--If you want one that will slab everything...why don't you go with ACG....they graded everything...and didn't lable it...nobody trusted them and they have been in law suites <sp?> for some time now...

Makes "cents"...but I still don't think they grade a coin if its a fake or the like

Speedy

 

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Not if the owner doesn't care either.... I think you yourself said that " ....some people collect cleaned coins..."

[/quote]BTW--If you want one that will slab everything...why don't you go with ACG....they graded everything...and didn't lable it...nobody trusted them and they have been in lawsuits for some time now...[/QUOTE]
I see no reason why I can't expect to have my coins graded and slabbed regardless of condition from a RELIABLE TPG. Obviously, your example is extremely unreliable and untrustworthy. I trust PCGS, and it's perfectly reasonable to want my coins slabbed regardless of condition from them rather than ACG.

 

BTW - yeah, they don't sit there and go "this counterfeit borders on MS64, but because of this scratch I'll bump it down to MS63." But I count as part of the grading process (and this is why I call it grading) the determination of the coin's authenticity and/or condition. If the TPG looks at it and calls it counterfeit, it's been "graded" as such IMO, and if they look at it, call it authentic, look even closer, and find out it was cleaned, it's been "graded" as such IMO.

That's where my personal rationale is in that matter.

 

AJ
You missed my point...what I was saying is that the ONLY grading Co. I know of that grades everything....cleaned...fakes...is ACG.
And ACG was not thought of highly because of that point...one of many points.
Now do yo think PCGS would want the bad name that ACG got?...IMO PCGS isn't too good at it now...NGC is much better IMO.

Speedy

 

Sounded to me like ACG wasn't good because they didn't label anything and got in a bunch of lawsuits. I can't see why anybody would be disgruntled enough to CARE whether or not the grading companies are slabbing some stuff or everything anyways.... they'll still be getting what they paid for - grading - and the people who want them to slab everything will get what they paid for - grading and encapsulation of all of their coins. It's a win-win situation.

 

Some people like me are odd...
PCGS thought of going to a 100 point grading SYS and not a 70 point sys...its just as odd that nobody much wanted that....
But more people want them not to slab everything and they know if they do they are going to lose business....so they don't.
And no...its not a win-win.....either way you are going to make someone mad...there is never a win-win.

Speedy

 

Well.... that's a given! :goofer:

Yeah, maybe it's just me that can't understand it, but then again, I like change (in every sense of the word!). Maybe in 20 years, more people will take my suggestion to heart and it might catch on.

Sure there's a win-win here. People who don't want everything slabbed DO NOT have to buy anything other than what they were going to buy ANYWAY. It doesn't hurt them one iota to have everything slabbed. (Sorry, but it doesn't even hurt someone as ornery as you, Speedy! If you were only going to buy real, uncleaned, untampered with coins with great eye appeal, PCGS slabbing a fake, cleaned, or tampered with coin still won't change that!) And people who want everything slabbed will get what they want, which will make them happy.

~AJ

 

Yep--when I was born at home I was named... NUT...and I've been that all of my life J/K

Maybe...but I don't think I'll change even after 20 years....

See...I'm good for something...think what it would be like if there wasn't anybody that disagreed with you...I'm ornery and thats good

Hope you have a good night...

Speedy

 

Wow! Thats alot of topic to read.

Not that anyone cares but I would have to agree with AJM229. When the TPG determines the price that they will charge to authenticate coins they assume every coin will go into a holder and therefor they factor the cost of the holder into their price. Once you pay that price you should recieve all the services associated with that price.

I understand that you are arguing a TPG would loose customers if the graded fake and or cleaned coins. I have to disagree. They would loose money if they graded a fake or cleaned coin as anything but a fake or cleaned coin. If the coin is a fake and the grade recieved stated "FAKE", with no associated number,then there is no loss of respect for the consumer since they stated the truth. If they graded a fake with a number grade than yes they deserve to go down along with AGC or SGS.

When a collector pays the TPG for the service they are confirming their trust that the TPG knows what it is doing. If that TPG discovers that the coin is harshly cleaned and states that very thing on the slab than who looses. They were already paid to review and authenticate the coin so their loss of time is moot. They have already been paid to slab the coin so their cost associated with slabbing is covered. The person who sent it in gets the coin back in an authenticated and tampor resistant condition to do with as they see fit. They can always break it out. I agree that PVC and actively corroding coins should be returned with out the slab but adjust the fee for that. Refund the incremental cost that would have been associated with the slabbing.

When I go for an oil change and I pay for a service that includes the changing of all the filters in my car, I damn well expect all of them to be changed. If they choose not to change one I want a good reason why AND then I expect to be compensated for that filter. This is called accountability. With out it they are no better than theives!

 

Lol.... I seem to get in touch with all the "ornery ones"! encil: I love debating, though, and it's good for my future (hopefully) profession - public administration!

 

Oh no...don't do that...I know some adminstrations...and lets just say....I know them.
I wouldn't want to know them much farther than their first name....
Think up something else....

Speedy

 

It is just part of a " Good Old Boys " game perpetuated by the coin dealers who support them.

 

Try ANACS

 

Actually ACG filed the suits, suing people who said they weren't good enough, or that they slabbed counterfeits, other nasty things about the company or it's owners etc.