Can someone help me?

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by dutchessak7, Jun 9, 2010.

  1. dutchessak7

    dutchessak7 Junior Member

    My son brought this coin home from school the other day. Does anyone have any info about it? Thanks!
    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
     
  2. Avatar

    Guest User Guest



    to hide this ad.
  3. Victor

    Victor Coin Collector

  4. rockdude

    rockdude Coin Collector

    It's a Chinese Dragon Coin, from which province I can't tell. Whether it's counterfeit or not I don't know. Is that both sides of the one coin?
     
  5. dutchessak7

    dutchessak7 Junior Member

    yes that is front and back of the same coin
     
  6. rockdude

    rockdude Coin Collector

    Is a magnet attracted to it?
     
  7. dutchessak7

    dutchessak7 Junior Member

    I haven't tried that yet, let me go check
     
  8. dutchessak7

    dutchessak7 Junior Member

    the only magnets I have are the ones on the fridge, they didn't stick to it
     
  9. rockdude

    rockdude Coin Collector

    Probably real and of silver.
     
  10. dutchessak7

    dutchessak7 Junior Member

    really? thats cool! thanks for your help
     
  11. rockdude

    rockdude Coin Collector

  12. dutchessak7

    dutchessak7 Junior Member

    that's interesting
    is there a way i can find out if it is fake or not?
     
  13. kangayou

    kangayou Junior Member

    Many of the symbols match this:

    Y# 4 10 CASH
    Copper Ruler: Kuang-hsü Obv. Insc.: Kuang-hsü Yüan-pao
    Rev: Side view dragon Rev. Leg.: HU POO

    but I haven't found a match for the double dragon reverse yet....still looking.
     
  14. rockdude

    rockdude Coin Collector

    A reputable coin dealer might know. If not hang out here, there's other that know a whole bunch more then myself...
     
  15. rockdude

    rockdude Coin Collector

    Couldn't find it either except in a group of novalty coins.;

    http://www.etsy.com/listing/48135981/five-vintage-novelty-old-chinese-dragon
     
  16. kangayou

    kangayou Junior Member

    ok I found an exact match but it is a Pattern coin which are WAY more valuable than "for circulation" coins.

    Pn2 ND(c.1888) — 10 Cash. Brass. $1,200
    Pn3 ND(c.1888) — Tael. Silver. K#932. $$$—
    PnA4 ND(c.1888) — Tael. White Metal. K#932y. $$$—
    Pn4 ND(1889) — 10 Cents. Copper. Y#195. $3,500
    Pn8 ND(1889) — Dollar. Copper. Y#198.1. $12,500
    Pn9 ND(1890) — 5 Cents. Copper. Y#199. —
    Pn10 ND(1890) — 10 Cents. Copper. Y#200. —
    Pn11 ND(1890) — 10 Cents. Brass. Y#200. —
    Pn12 ND(1890) — 20 Cents. Copper. Y#201. —
    Pn13 ND(1890) — 20 Cents. Brass. Y#201. —
    Pn14 ND(1890) — 50 Cents. Copper. Y#202. —
    Pn15 ND(1890) — Dollar. Copper. Y#203. —

    [​IMG]
     

    Attached Files:

  17. dutchessak7

    dutchessak7 Junior Member

    very cool, thank you!
     
  18. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    China, AR Tael of Emperor Guang Xu. The picture isn't clear enough, but I would bet anything that its a cast fake.

    Compare: http://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=10891

    rockdude - Just because the coin is not attracted to a magnet means its silver, most of the copies coming from China are in fact cast in tin.
     
  19. rockdude

    rockdude Coin Collector

    That's why 'probably' was added.
     
  20. thaivic

    thaivic Junior Member

    So here is mine.

    Specifications:
    non-magnetic
    45mm diameter
    2mm thick
    25.88gms

    Milled edge but... a flattening or wear at 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock also a doubling of the milling at about 3 minutes after 12 o'clock and at about 3 minutes after 6 o'clock.

    Comparison with kangayou's pictures:
    The dragons are smaller (the design is further from the outer edge), the two designs on the reverse at 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock are closer to the inner circle of dots.

    The fields on the reverse are clear but on the obverse there are some very small areas that seem to be extra metal.

    Overall conclusion? It is a fake/copy but a nice one at that. However I would love to be proved wrong. If anyone wants closer details then just tell me of what areas of and I'll try to take some higher res scans of them.
     

    Attached Files:

  21. kangayou

    kangayou Junior Member

    thaivic,

    Could it be possible that the differences between your coin and the images of the pattern coin I borrowed from KP is that yours was actually intended for circulation ?
    I do see significant design differences between to 2 but I see significant differences between US circulated coins and the Patterns they were based on.
    Have you tried doing an overlay of your coin with the OP's coin , since his seems to be well circulated ?
     
Draft saved Draft deleted

Share This Page