1885-CC Toner

Discussion in 'What's it Worth' started by Ambrola, Jun 7, 2010.

  1. Ambrola

    Ambrola Junior Member

    Hi guys,
    Been awhile since I posted, and again I need your expert advice. The 1885-CC is one of the Morgans I need, and would like to know what you guys think of this one. I have been trying to get MS-64, but 63 on this one is ok. I like the way it is tonning, and seems like an all around nice example?? What price would you pay?
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300432482932
     
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  3. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Before I even saw his BIN, I was thinking in the neighborhood of $700, but since he also has a "Make Offer", why don't you send him this note.........

    Hi! I saw your 1885-CC and I really like it. I hope you won't be offended, but would you consider accepting $600 for it? That is about all I can afford. Please let me know.

    Thanks!

    (Place name here)
     
  4. raider34

    raider34 Active Member

    The BIN is way high for a 63, (and imo that type of toning shouldn't really bring a premium).

    The last 63 (NGC) sold yesterday on Heritage for $540. In this case I think it's best to hold off for a 64, because there really isn't that big a difference in price. Three 64s just sold last night on Heritage, all for $632 (2 in GSAs and 1 PCGS).
     
  5. Ambrola

    Ambrola Junior Member

    655.00 is his break even on this one. He want go any lower.
     
  6. Ambrola

    Ambrola Junior Member

    You are right Raider. I bought a 1881-CC MS-64 for 550. Just have to wait sometimes.
     
  7. raider34

    raider34 Active Member

    The population in 64 is high, so you'll have a lot to choose from. PCGS has 6600 certified in 64, and NGC has 2882.
     
  8. Kevo

    Kevo Junior Member

    Grey sheet ask is $610 on this one. It all comes down to what you are willing to pay. You probably could find one just as nice on heritage, but take into account the extra fees associated with that kind of purchase.( i have never purchased from heritage but I understand there are buyers premiums in addition to shipping) The ebay coin looks like it has spent some time in an album at one point in its life, and although i like toning on a coin, i do not find it particularly attractive in this case. Id pass in favor of finding a coin with more eye appeal.
     
  9. Lugia

    Lugia ye olde UScoin enthusiast

    thats like what i was thinking until i read more of this thread. theres nothing really appealing about the toning on that one to bring any premium.
     
  10. Numismatist47

    Numismatist47 New Member

    MHO, the coin is worth about $550.
     
  11. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    I'll admit that I didn't bother looking at any recent auction prices, but since the seller claims that his break even point if $655, it's rather a moot point anyway. I guess the only thing you can do is keep looking for another one.

    Chris
     
  12. Numismatist47

    Numismatist47 New Member

    It is a nice looking Morgan with the toning, but the price is too high for it. I said it's worth $550, I would make an offer of $500 and go from there, but he wants atleast break even amount of $655.
     
  13. Ambrola

    Ambrola Junior Member

    Well, I paid 650.00 for the coin including shipping and ins. I think thats about 50.00 to much, but I like the coin, its in a PCGS which is all I buy now. The seller says the tonning looks much better than the pics show, and I am hoping thats true. I have another Morgan thats tonning around the rim, and its a deep blue turning into orange. Will they continue to to tone in the holder? I don't take them out anymore, but thats another fight I started a while back. I used to crack all slabbed coins out and now that I am little wiser, I don't. I even wish I could put the ones I opened back in the slabs, ha ha. Just the PCGS, I don't care much for the others, ANACS especialy. I bought 2 new boxes off ebay and had to open a case on the guy. He will not answer my emails and I haven't recieved the item?? Go figure. His user name is alabama_pride. I see he'sgotten someone else since I opened my case. Where is the best place to get these boxes, I have slabbed coins just lying in a box. Thanks guys.
     
  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    They will if you do not store them properly. Simply put they should stored in an enclosed container with regularly changed or recharged silica gel packs inside, in a cool, dark place where the temperature changes very little.


    If you mean the slab boxes you can buy them direct from PCGS or NGC. They are also sold on ebay and by some dealers.
     
  15. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    They shouldn't continue to tone in the slab. There are some that I've had for 10+ years that haven't changed. I'd be concerned if you see one change in the slab because it may have been At'd or dipped and not properly rinsed.

    Does the other one you have look something like this?
     

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  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    With proper storage they won't, at least not in a way that you will notice. And as of today, no such container exist. At least not one that the common man has access to.

    It is impossible to stop toning without placing a coin in an airtight container, but you can sure slow it down to the point that you can't see the changes for many years.
     
  17. BadThad

    BadThad Calibrated for Lincolns

    Exactly correct.

    I recommend a thick, freezer style ziplock bag. Put in the slab, a desiccant pack and a bright red copper cent. Store the coin in a tupperware type container in a location with a fairly constant temperature and it will never change....at least in your or your kids lifetimes.
     
  18. Ambrola

    Ambrola Junior Member

    I just started storing them in the NGC and PCGS boxes. Will these do the trick??
     
  19. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Not really. You should store those boxes either in a safe, a Tupperware container, a RubberMaid container - or something like that. Then inside the safe or container you place re-chargable silica gel packs. They will keep the humidity at a minimum.

    The idea is to store the coins in a sealed container of some sort, not a cardboard box, so that airflow is minimized.

    The biggest enemies that coins have are moisture, changes in temperature and air. So when you store them to need to minimize all of those things.

    So you store them in a cool, dark place where the temperature does not change much - like in the back corner of a closet. That's where you place your storage container.

    The container stays out of the light then, light produces heat and changes the temp. The sealed container minimizes airflow, that allows you to condition the air inside the container with silica gel packs - they absorb excess humidity. And being in the back of the closet the temp does not change much due to you heating or cooling your house, it remains relatively the same all the time.

    You see there are thousands of things that affect the air in your home. Where you live for one. Are there factories nearby ? Even 20 to 50 miles away ? They put untold chemicals into the air and those chemicals affect your coins.

    The type of heat you use in your house affects them too, gas heat, electric or radiant - all have different effects. So does your cooking. So does your cooling system. Smoking, automatic air fresheners, vitually everything you do in your home affects and changes the air. So if that air gets to your coins, it's going to have an affect on them.

    Proper storage is simple, but it is also very complicated. But it can be done by following my instructions.
     
  20. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    And Chris, if you think that coins won't tone in the slab, take a look sometime at all of the copper coins in slabs that are marked Red or Red Brown, that are not Red or Red Brown anymore.

    Coins tone in slabs pal, it happens every day.
     
  21. LRC-Tom

    LRC-Tom Been around the block...

    It's very unlikely the coin will tone further in the slab. Toning like that is caused by exposure to sulfur or a sulfur compound, as in a Whitman or Wayte Raymond album. Slabs aren't airtight, but if you store the slabbed coin away from any nearby cardboard or paper, you should be fine.

    ..Tom
     
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