how is this coin graded so high?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by panda, May 29, 2010.

  1. panda

    panda Junior Member

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    i am still learning the grading system, but that coin does not look ms to me? the price is $65...
     
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  3. PFCBEGA

    PFCBEGA Staff Numismatist HA.com

    Why do you say its not MS? It looks UNC to me, and probaly upgrade to 64 by todays standard
     
  4. panda

    panda Junior Member

    maybe its the way i am looking at the picture. but it looks like there is scratches and bit of ware to be MS.

    thanks for the help, that is why i asked. i am starting to expand my collection to silver dollars and most other ones at this grade looked better.
     
  5. schatzy

    schatzy ~Roosie Fanatic~

    I can tell nothing looking at those pictures.
     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    panda if I undersatand your comments correctly the real problem you have with understanding the grade assigned to that coin is because of the eye appeal, because you think the coin is unattractive, and, because you think that the hairlines you see would prevent the coin from being graded as MS.

    What I would suggest to you, as a start, would be for you to spend some time looking at pictures of graded coins on the Heritage web site. Then you'll start to get a better feel for what a MS63 coin looks like. And look for some with a similar toning pattern and coloration. It will help a lot.

    Eventually you're going to need to look at graded coins in hand, whether at a coin shop or coin show. And you will learn even more. But pictures are a good start.
     
  7. panda

    panda Junior Member

    thanks. its not the toning, it just looked worn, compared to other ms63 morgans on there site. i am going to that shop monday, and want to look at that coin.

    i am trying to learn more about grading before i make bigger purchases. and this coin sorta confused me. i zoomed the picture and, i think i see were i confused myself.

    thanks for the help though.
     
  8. BALD SPARTAN

    BALD SPARTAN Member

    Hard to tell from those pictures but it has alot of toning that will cover alot of the detail in a pic so I would definatly want to see it in hand.
     
  9. kaosleeroy108

    kaosleeroy108 The Mahayana Tea Shop & hobby center

    it is a NGC coin

    Date/Info: 1881
    Denomination: S$1
    Grade: MS 63
    Additional Information
    NumisMedia Value: $56.40

    my opinion is as follows
    its severely toned.. it may have been a original grading im in agreeable its not the prettiest coin.. in comparision to the 2 ms 63-64s i have home i d say it toned in the holder causing it to look this toned..in a row id pass it up..
     
  10. Numismatist47

    Numismatist47 New Member

    This coin looks like an end of roll toning. One of my dealers has one he showed me last week. MS-63, NGC slab, he's asking $45.
     
  11. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Whether someone likes the toning or not is not the issue, but it does make it harder to judge the condition when looking at photos. It would be much easier to assess the condition of this coin by examining it in-hand. I don't think that it toned in the slab.

    I believe that is an NGC 4 slab. Late 80's or early 90's???

    Chris
     
  12. Numismatist47

    Numismatist47 New Member

    And those look like scanned images as opposed to photos.

    Trust me, this coin looks 20x's better in hand, than from these scanned images.

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  13. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Yes, looking at scanned images is like making love to a dead fish.

    Chris
     
  14. grizz

    grizz numismatist


    ...:eek:
     
  15. tmoneyeagles

    tmoneyeagles Indian Buffalo Gatherer

  16. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    I bet if I photographed that coin, not only would you think it is mint state, you would probably consider buying it.
     
  17. redwin117

    redwin117 Junior Member

    :rolling::confused: What does it mean* making LOVE LOVE to a DEAD FISH?

    AM I looking for Aquarium withoutwater and Fish..:bigeyes::bigeyes:.
     
  18. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    Dead Fish is a colloquial phrase referring to sexual performance. Forum rules prohibit me from explaining further.
     
  19. lackluster

    lackluster Junior Member

    I though end of roll toning was usually more prevalent on one side of the coin?

    Lack
     
  20. Lehigh96

    Lehigh96 Toning Enthusiast

    It is, here is an example of an EOR 1881 Morgan Dollar.

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    The coin in the OP appears more of an album toned coin to me.
     
  21. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I agree, or an envelope.

    But don't forget, they had shotgun rolls too. But those tend to leave a light colored edge/rim.
     
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