There must be something about purple lincolns

And what about this one? NT or AT?

 

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For that matter, are BLUE pennies AT or NT? What do you think?

 

Since the slighty evil one (gmarguli) has admitted to using MS70 to turn proof IHC's a bright cobalt blue color, I am forced to believe that they are AT. Many of them reside in NGC & PCGS holders because they were market acceptable at the time. I do not believe that raw blue copper coins are considered by the TPG's as market acceptable these days.

However, I find them very attractive and would be happy to own them even if the application of MS70 is what caused the blue color. I fancy the blue coins but I find that bluish purplish color gaudy. As most people know, I am very liberal when it comes to AT coins.

 

Charmy,

The 59 & 72 look NT to me. Not too long back, I finished searching a $50 bag of 80 Phillies (which only took me 4-1/2 years) and many of them had started toning in that irridescent blue mixed among the red & brown.

Chris

 

Charmy, just out of curiosity, were these blue indians slabbed recently? Just wondering if they're still slabbing blue ones.

 

Rob, I'm not sure when these were certified, I bought them all already holdered. But I can say that PCGS and NGC are being much more selective when they holder "toned" coins. Right now, it is definitely harder to get them to certify any copper with color.

And Doug, you may be right, but I can tell you that I paid big bucks for that coin, and sold it very quickly for even bigger bucks to someone who is thrilled with it. So whether it's natural or not, copper collectors love the look of coins like this - and high grade toned proofs are particularly in strong demand, especially when they look like this. Whether this 1883 proof has "natural" toning or not, whatever was/was not done to it did not ruin the blast bright mirrors or the gorgeous luster on this piece which is amazing and beautiful.

 

Charmy,

They really are beautiful coins despite the fact that they might be considered AT. The thing is that I have seen all different colors of toned proof IHC's including green, purple, magenta, and yellow, and pink. The blue are the most impressive IMO. Here is an old Anaconda photo of one.



Paul

 

When all the blue proof cents started showing on the market it was a crazy time in the hobby. Everyone wanted one. Many said it was just the tissue they were stored in and others said AT from the start. When Greg spoke up, it all hit the fan. I wanted one and then I didn't and now I want one again.
We will never know the ones that are real but most will agree they are really cool looking coins, either way. In 50 years folks will still not agree on what is AT or NT but they will agree that some coins are just beautiful.
Someone messed with this coin but I still love it.

 

I agree. Greg was the first I knew of. It was a crazy time. I would guess that just the news of this, caused more to start messing with copper. It never ends.

 

I focus on copper with the blue blush you guys are speaking of. Some have a weird look to them that is a turn off and some have jaw dropping wicked eye apeal that screams unintentional toning. When selecting a Lincoln with color I look for a solid brown coin with what I term "original skin" and then blue that "turns on and off" when tilted. If the blue stays "on" at all angles or covers mint lustre, it is questionable to me. I also check to see it any red that remains is a classic red color and not the pumkin orange of recolored red. Sure there are individuals that can reproduce this effect, but it also happens unintentionally all the time. We have all seen these coins come out of albums that we know the history of, it is easy to start second guessing coins sprinkled down the show aisles. And yes, I have great results certifying these coins raw all the time. If interested in my set please view my registry at http://coins.www.collectors-society.com/registry/coins/SetListing.aspx?PeopleSetID=99846. I recommend sticking with people like Charmy and Tom at Numiscent who see these coins all the time and have a feel for what is valuable. JMO Thanks.

 

FWIW, that is exactly where my coin came from (Tom). He says he has never seen one as bright as my OP.