Well, one could always look for a good side. At least NGC does look at the coin, even though it comes mint wrapped, and then grade what they think. Shamefully, I have always thought NGC and PCGS just automatically graded modern mint "stuff" ( sorry I don't do them) MS69 or MS70, First strike, First Rinse , whateverrrr ( as my young friends say ), now I admit I am wrong and apologize to them. Schatzy, I am sure they will make it right for you.
Whoa....that is CRAZY. What does the coin look like in hand? Does it look "cleaned"? Sounds like a botched coin....oh wait...the mint never does that. LOL :hammer:
then you should probably check it out yourself and if it isnt cleaned then you got yourself a pretty good deal
NGC has always been very good to me!! :smile I have received a few body bags on modern coins but I had to pay for my education some how.
This sort of thing happens now and then, but it is pretty unusual for it to happen at NGC, usually it's PCGS. And as explained, the graders don't remove the coin from the mint packaging. They just base their opinion on what they see on the coin. It's probably just badly hairlined.
one of these days u will realize that ngc is as bad if not worse than pcgs depending on what gets submitted
Just because they can't grade or even correctly identify all Indian coins spock does not mean they don't know how to do anything else.
I think NGC is a bunch of crooks... They probably swapped your mint coin for another and pocketed the good one... but thats just my $.02.
:hammer: I submit over 500 coins a year and I have never had a single coin switched on me. NGC has been nothing but top notch to me. I can not say the same for PCGS!!
I always seem to have a certain amount of disrespect for those people who make blanket statements about a company when they can't back it up with solid evidence. It makes them suspect rather than the company. I'd like to tell you about an incident I had with NGC in 2005. This happened to be my very first submission, and it was a time when (non-dealer) collectors could make an appointment to bring their submissions to the NGC office. It was a 50-coin submission and when it was ready, I made an appointment to pick it up. After checking the submission sheet against the coins, we found that one coin, a Kennedy error, was missing. No less than 5 members of the NGC staff, including graders, searched high and low for the coin. After more than an hour, it was finally discovered that it had been in the vault the entire time, but was overlooked because no one had been looking for a copper-colored Kennedy half dollar (shown below). To me, it seems apparent that you don't know too much about the staff of NGC. Chris
Well obviously we can put to bed all the questions of who the best grading service is based on the fact that they looked for your coin, which they lost, for more then an hour. I have no need to explain my opinion other then what I said cause as you have clearly stated I haven't got enough "solid evidence". But needless to say I will never use their service again and I am glad to let others know that. If you want to know my story, feel free to message me and I'll tell you. Otherwise opinions are like *******s, everyone's got one.
That's EXACTLY what I think of PCGS! :kewl: From those pictures, the coin doesn't even look nice so it could be because of that or heavy hairlines. They'll make it right though.
I highly doubt they switched coins. Why would the company risk it's reputation over a common sac dollar (no offense intended Schatzy)...especially one that was submitted by a "frequent flyer" customer. I just don't buy it. I think this was just a simple mistake. Besides I would think that any alteration (clipped planchets, die cracks, excessive polish marks, double-dies, over polished dies - 3 legged buffalo, etc) done to a coin during the minting process would be considered an error and not improperly cleaned? -LTB
And they are. But hairlines (the sign of a harshly/improperly cleaned coin) are not and cannot be put on the coin during the minting process. The minting process ends at the instant that the dies pull away from each other. Everything that happens to the coin after that instant is damage.
I got to agree with Chris my experience with NGC staff has always been very pleasant, even when I disagree with their grading on some of the coins I have submitted. JJK78 Why do you believe NGC is a bunch of crooks?