Barber $1/2 part 2: Sleepers

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  1. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    BARBER $1/2 SLEEPERS


    It is difficult to make a list of Barber half dollar sleepers. The simple reason is that most of the series is still asleep. Walking Liberty half dollars, Bust half dollars, even Seated half dollars have woken up. But the Barber half dollar? Nah, still asleep. I say this even though the prices for the series have risen nicely over the past ten years, in 2003 I would have said: ‘a common date will cost $7.50 in good; $72.00 in very fine; $265 in almost uncirculated; and $475 to $500 in uncirculated.’ Today the statement would be: ‘If you merely want a type piece, as an example for your collection, a common date will cost $14 in good; $100 in very fine; $400 in almost uncirculated; and $550 in uncirculated.’

    Although each grade has increased nicely, the better dates have also budged. In 2003: ‘In good condition the full set will set you back nearly $1,274.50! Remember, these are large silver coins and, besides the silver dollar, are very popular collectibles. In very fine condition the cost of the set multiples to $9,100.50 and in uncirculated it leaps like Superman to $65,755.’
    Today: ‘In good condition the full set will set you back nearly $2,839.00! Remember, these are large silver coins and, besides the silver dollar, are popular collectibles. In very fine condition the cost of the set multiples to $14,860 and in uncirculated it leaps like Superman to $70,250.’

    The important dates, what we naturally refer to as ‘key dates’ have moved nicely. Lets do a little comparison in G-4 condition:
    Date 2003 2010
    1892 O $120 $300
    1892 S $110 $250
    1893 S $80 $175
    1897 O $55 $125
    1897 S $95 $110

    1913 $19 $85
    1914 $30 $200
    1915 $21 $135

    Remember, this is for 2003, when the series finally started to move after the market explosion form the start of the States quarters series that started the market movement in 1999. As you can see, there has been some nice movement in prices to these dates. However, remember that a half a dollar was a lot of money back then, in fact it was nice money in the 1950's, and you could buy feast of candy enough for a nice candy-high for a week in the late 1950s. But in the early 20th century it could have been a day’s pay, and not many folks could afford to even consider saving a half a dollar at that time.

    The available number of coins was certainly effected by the great silver melt that occurred during the silver price explosion of 1979 to 1980, when at $50 an ounce anything that wasn’t a better date was surely melted. We find the same thing today, and I have rescued a number of Barber coins from the melting pot during the last year. So, unpopular design (read: unattractive style designed by an ungifted designer: Charles Barber) and a limited supply, yields: a great possibility for future appreciation in value.

    So, we’ve looked at the usual dates, the key and semi-keys that everyone knows about, what about other dates? Easy, but this will take a moment, lets start at the easier ones to identify (we’ll just use the values at G-4 for comparison):

    Date Mintage 2003 2009
    1904 S 553,038 $14 $40
    1905 P 662,727 $9 $25
    1905 O 505,000 $10 $30
    1909 O 925,400 $8 $17
    1910 418,551 $8 $22
    1911D 695,000 $6 $14
    1913D 534,000 $6 $20
    1913S 604,000 $6 $25

    Here we have eight dates and mints that all have mintages under one million. Each one was valued at or a little above a common date in 2003, when a common date was $6 in good condition. Today a common date is valued at $14, so the increase in value for most of the dates is not as much as it may appear at first glance. In fact, one date, the 1911 D is still priced at a common date with a value of only $14, that and a mintage of only 695,000. Doesn’t that seem like a place where there is a lot of potential value for a very small price?

    It is well known that the Barber series (all three of them: dimes, quarters and half dollars) are not the designs from a gifted individual and that is probably the reason why the sets are not far more popular today. However, it is apparent that any increase in interest by even a small number of new collectors will cause the set to increase in value. In fact, the key dates have already increased nicely, yet, I feel that they still have a lot of room for growth.

    Consider, the 1916 D ‘Mercury’ dime. It had a mintage of 264,000, yet is valued at $1,000 in Good condition. The 1913, 1914 and 1915 half dollars all have mintages that are a fraction of that total. The 1913 is only 61 percent of the 1916 D’s mintage but it is also 8.5% of the cost.

    The 1914 is 47 percent of the mintage, and 20 percent of the cost. While the 1915 is 52 percent of the mintage, and 13.5 percent of the cost. Is this the least bit logical? Perhaps, we must admit that the ‘Mercury’ or ‘Winged Liberty’ set is far more popular as a collection, however, should there be this big a disparity? Not in my opinion.

    It seems obvious that with a little bit of promotion this great series of only 75 pieces is due for a nice movement in value. Sure, it has moved already, but any kind of promotion by the TV folks may cause it to explode in value. In the interim, we have the advantage that, while we may not be getting in on the ‘ground floor’ it does seem that we can still get on about the second floor, in a building that is a skyscraper. The downward movement is very limited, but the upside potential is great. So, if you have never considered this series, take a little time and do your homework, you’ll be glad that you did.
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  3. Another excellent/informative post on this series. You have peaked my interest for sure. That 1910 may be a winner. TC
     
  4. Duke Kavanaugh

    Duke Kavanaugh The Big Coin Hunter

    Thanks for the read...
    Is there a part 3?
     
  5. raider34

    raider34 Active Member

    Great thread Frank!
     
  6. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Yup.


    If you want. Le tme know.

    Thanks.
     
  7. Yacorie

    Yacorie Junior Member

    Thanks for the write-up. As a new, and I mean brand new collector, I really like the barbers. If only I could figure out grading so I could start putting this set together without getting taken to the cleaners.
     
  8. Duke Kavanaugh

    Duke Kavanaugh The Big Coin Hunter

    Purchase them in NGC or PCGS slabs and you'll be fine.

    And yes Part 3 please.
     
  9. majorbigtime

    majorbigtime New Member

    Consider, the 1916 D ‘Mercury’ dime. It had a mintage of 264,000, yet is valued at $1,000 in Good condition. The 1913, 1914 and 1915 half dollars all have mintages that are a fraction of that total. The 1913 is only 61 percent of the 1916 D’s mintage but it is also 8.5% of the cost.

    The 1914 is 47 percent of the mintage, and 20 percent of the cost. While the 1915 is 52 percent of the mintage, and 13.5 percent of the cost. Is this the least bit logical?


    I always believed the 1913-1915 half dollars were (and are) underrated,
     
  10. illini420

    illini420 1909 Collector


    How about lower grade Barber Halves in proof?? All but the 1892 have mintages of less than 1,000 and some have mintages of less than 500!!!! I'd rather have one of those those than a '16-D Merc dime in G/VG for the same price :D

    But I've learned long ago that low mintage numbers do not necessarily correlate with high value.
     
  11. majorbigtime

    majorbigtime New Member

    A good point, but I wouldn't go near anything less than a PF63
     
  12. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    agreed.
     
  13. bqcoins

    bqcoins Olympic Figure Skating Scoring System Expert

    I would agree with that, but the average PF63 barber half is going for about $1,100 whereas a PF61 will average $650, but there is not a lot of movement in the proof halves or the quarters for that matter, so if you can find a proof barber, whether it be PF60 or PF68 and you can afford it...and it looks appealing to your eyes, I say buy it but don't expect it to appreciate much.
     
  14. RedTiger

    RedTiger Member

    An important point is that for some better date coins with the right look, the price guide is not accurate. At true auction, some of the nicer coins might go for 2x or 3x the price in certain grades, certain dates. If a person waits to buy at guide, even full retail guide, they may need to get a comfortable chair and/or an ill-informed seller.
     
  15. clembo

    clembo A closed mind is no mind

    An excellent thread Treashunt. Thanks so much.

    I have a tendency to jump on any decent 1910 I see at work. Especially if the boss is in a "giving mood".
     
  16. bqcoins

    bqcoins Olympic Figure Skating Scoring System Expert

    That 1910 might be a real good sleeper the way a VG 1913 Quarter is.
     
  17. abe

    abe LaminatedLincolnCollector

    Great thread, bring on part III...
     
  18. Tom B

    Tom B TomB Everywhere Else

    The grade range you are attempting to buy dictates quite heavily those coins that are better in this series. One of the toughest mid-grade coins by far has not even been mentioned in this thread.
     
  19. Yacorie

    Yacorie Junior Member


    Kill that cat...I'm curious.
     
  20. Tom B

    Tom B TomB Everywhere Else

    An original-skinned 1907-S in VF or EF is simply a beast, but few who don't study this series all the time would realize it.
     
  21. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    agreed, the 1907 S in F or above is tough.
     
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