How many die varieties for the 1975 cent

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  1. 10gary22

    10gary22 Junior Member

    While doing some roll searching, I noticed that there seem to be at least 2 dferent dies used for the 1975 D. The least common one (that I am finding, anyway) seems to have a gap in the line of Lincoln's coat front ?

    From the toning, it seems to be an earlier one also ? Is it worth noting and adding to the set ?

    Thanks
     
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  3. ziggy9

    ziggy9 *NEC SPERNO NEC TIMEO*

    With over 4.5 billion 1975 d's there were hundreds of die pairs. The gap in the line of the coat doesn't sound like a die variety though. Without pictures I am guessing it is a result of die wear or die polishing. Toning wouldn't help in determining the age of the coin. There are 2010 cents that have started to tone and there are 1909 cents that are still red as the day they were minted.
     
  4. 10gary22

    10gary22 Junior Member

    I think I am finding about 1 in 8 to 10 of coins with the gap in the line that appear identical. Would that indicate anything ? The first had damage, so I discounted it, but then I started finding a few more. That's what made me wonder.

    I have scans, but no pics yet. Syill waiting for stuff I ordered to try and make a camera rig.

    Thanks
     
  5. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    Were these rolls from the same source? When searching original rolls it is not unusual to find several coins from the same die.
     
  6. 10gary22

    10gary22 Junior Member

    The rolls seemed to be well mixed. What I did was sort each roll by decade, then by years. So I ended up with a tray full of 1975s that I broke down by mint, then started examining 10-20 coins on the tray at a time. That's when I picked up the differences, otherwise I might not have noticed it.
     
  7. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    Hmmm...may have been from a master die then. Do you have any photos?
     
  8. DoK U Mint

    DoK U Mint In Odd we Trust

    scan vs photo

    When it comes to scan vs photo, scans do a wonderful job of showing harsh detail.

    Photos tend to be better at showing beauty.

    Kinnda like why Playboy uses photos instead of Cat~scans in their foldouts.

    But scans can be quit useful for explaining things.

    Why not put up an ugly scan while waiting to produce beautiful photos?

     
  9. 10gary22

    10gary22 Junior Member

    here it is
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    The top coin seems to be the most in quantity, while the bottom two have the weak line on the coat front.
     
  10. Billyray

    Billyray Junior Member

    it's just a weak strike or worn die
     
  11. 10gary22

    10gary22 Junior Member

    So, all of them would be considered error coins ? I mean I already found 6 of them, would they have value as errors ?
     
  12. Shoewrecky

    Shoewrecky Coin Hoarder

  13. DoK U Mint

    DoK U Mint In Odd we Trust

    ThanX for the follow up

    You mean this?

    It does not look like post mint damage. And since you have various examples, most likely doubles the value to those types that pursue such things.

    Could be worth 4 cents or 4 pennies.....or other.:thumb:

     

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  14. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    Looks like either worn dies or merely better strikes. Perhaps one master die was struck better than others. There is no error and there was only one style obverse master hub used in 1975. In 1974 they made a master hub change mid-production with a modified date and vest, but not in 1975.
     
  15. 10gary22

    10gary22 Junior Member

    Now I am really confused. If it is the same die and it's not an error or a variety, why are they different, and why am I finding several of them ? I know they are worth 1c each at least. LOL

    Excuse my obvious ignorance, but I don't understand this at all ?

    Thanks
     
  16. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    In 1975, what was the average life span of a set of cent dies?

    Said a bit more directly, I suspect there are hundreds of die pairs.
     
  17. 10gary22

    10gary22 Junior Member

    Yes, that's what I spotted. When several are lying on a try, these show up like sore thumbs. Guess I better put one in a flip and label it as unknown type variation ?
     
  18. jallengomez

    jallengomez Cessna 152 Jockey

    Gary,

    What I was referring to is that there was only one master hub in 1975. There were many, many working dies for that year. Here's a good link about hubs and dies. Since there are several working hubs creating many working dies, it's not unusual that those working dies will have different strike characteristics. This is how we end up with varieties.

    http://www.coin-gallery.com/cgstanton3.htm
     
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