Against The Law?

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  1. coin_man_95

    coin_man_95 Senior Member

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  3. dctjr80

    dctjr80 Senior Member

    not really, ever seen a penny press or walked along a rail road?
     
  4. rockdude

    rockdude Coin Collector

    Yep, it's against the law but do people sometimes do this and get away with it??
    Sure they do. We've all seen it and yet no one seems to be swooping
    down on the violators to haul them off to jail.
     
  5. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    What law? There is no law I know of that prohibits defacing coins. The only time there is a problem, that I know of, is when it is done to deceive. Otherwise, there would be a lot of penny flattening machine owners in a lot of trouble out there.
     
  6. rockdude

    rockdude Coin Collector

    United States Code
    TITLE 18
    PART I
    CHAPTER 17
    § 331. Mutilation, diminution, and falsification of coins


    Whoever fraudulently alters, defaces, mutilates, impairs, diminishes,
    falsifies, scales, or lightens any of the coins coined at the mints of
    the United States, or any foreign coins which are by law made current
    or are in actual use or circulation as money within the United States;
    or whoever fraudulently possesses, passes, utters, publishes, or
    sells, or attempts to pass, utter, publish, or sell, or brings into
    the United States, any such coin, knowing the same to be altered,
    defaced, mutilated, impaired, diminished, falsified, scaled, or
    lightened Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than
    five years, or both.
     
  7. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Look up the definition of "fraudulently" (with the intent to deceive). Those coins were not "fraudulently" anythinged.
     
  8. rockdude

    rockdude Coin Collector

    This might be a first on this forum; "Well then I guess I was wrong"...
     
  9. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Been down this road more than once here, but thank you.
     
  10. coin_man_95

    coin_man_95 Senior Member

    but thanks for the info!:thumb:
     
  11. rockdude

    rockdude Coin Collector

    That's what I get for starting late in life 8/08, I guess John Wayne was right.
     
  12. coin_man_95

    coin_man_95 Senior Member

    your older than me im 1/10
     
  13. mralexanderb

    mralexanderb Coin Collector

    That is just UGLY. It may be the only law broken. Ugly art.

    Bruce
     
  14. dctjr80

    dctjr80 Senior Member

    I forgot to throw in Hobo Nickels as an example also and coin jewelry and any company painted junk all over them!!! etc. etc. Yes fraudulently is the key to braking the law, half of that law was designed when coins were made of precious metals in the attempt to prevent clipping and shaving them so that you could keep bits of the silver and make a profit and the second is to not try and alter them in such a way as to deceive people into thinking they are worth more than they really are :)
     
  15. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    That is a waste of $19.95.
     
  16. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Is there still a law about melting cents and nickels or did that even happen?
     
  17. abe

    abe LaminatedLincolnCollector

    Against the Law. A bunch of crooks making laws, now that should be Against the Law...:eating:
     
  18. quartertapper

    quartertapper Numismatist

    As far as I'm aware, that law is still in effect. A while back I read somewhere that there was a company trying to change this law to allow melting of the 95% copper cents, and they were hoping to be the exclusive company to do it.
     
  19. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Technically it is not a law. It is a ruling, for lack of a better word, by the US Treasury.
     
  20. dcinffxva

    dcinffxva Junior Member

  21. dcinffxva

    dcinffxva Junior Member

    Also, back to the original question, it all depends on who may or may not consider it fraudulent alteration. While most would agree it is not, you never want to be in a position where a lawyer is having to explain things for you.
     
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