1798 Dollar Newp

Hey Physics the one you posted was the nicest one. I think that one would get a + now compared to these others:

http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=1128&Lot_No=1755

http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=1128&Lot_No=1754

 

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Quite possibly Duke. I was more posting it for a comparison to your piece. Do you understand what I mean when I say that yours doesn't have the right "feel" to it? Its not any one specific thing I can put my finger on and point out to you (these dollars are not my area either), but its the whole look of the coin. The best thing I can point out is the hair detail, surface roughness (indicative of casting), and strange areas of weakness. The dentils further worry me. The lines in the shield look strange - too sharp and crisp, and the fields in between are too smooth. The lines in the feathers are unusually strong, and many of the details just look... wrong. Study the authentic examples on Heritage, and you'll get a feel for what I'm talking about.

Keep us posted with what happens when you send it in - but I'm not expecting this to come back genuine.

 

Woke up this morning and I see the scratch on Liberty is gone with the new scan.

Keep us posted as to how she grades Duke.....

 

As best as I can see it seems to be the "Pointed 9, wide date, 13 arrows, arc stars"
variety B-15.

I used this site to attribute:

http://www.earlydollars.org/index.asp

There are, however, as far as I can see, some tiny discrepancies vs. the B-15 shown n the link, namely the position of some of the dentilation, and also minute dfferences in the position of the stars. A better picture of a B-15 would be useful.

Eduard

 

Oh, and it seems to be a nice coin BTW, and I certainly hope it is real!

 

I agree eduard - I keep matching it up to the B-15 coin. Star 7 is very close to L, with a point of the star almost reaching the serif, but pointing above it. Obverse K used on B11, B15, B16 and B-17. The third berry from the top is tiny and is a attached to a leaf point. I still think it looks like it was tooled - this might explain why the hair does not match up.

 

So does the guy I got it from He's the one loosing out if not as I'll get my money back!

 

First scan was in a scratched up 2x2 ;P
Second one was without it.
No funny business here lol

 

Doug - out of all those that claw concerned me the most. But in hand it looks like the others and the scans just are that scans and I think it looks fine after seeing it vs the picture I posted. As for the other places like the STATES and LIBERTY's base. Mine has that weird raised bumps at the bottom that really does not show on the pict. They are not as large as the others but they are there.

Assume it is real, what do you grade it and what would a TPG (NGC,PCGS)?


Thanks for all the help on this coin.

 

Agreed. I don't have the book handy, but it looks like it was VF before Liberty got "enhanced" with a new hair do. It's the hair above the ribbon (upper left part of the coiffure) that bothers me. Always hard to tell from a scan / photo. Good luck ! Ricky B

 

I noticed exactly the same thing when Doug posted the images from Heritage.

Oh sheesh... do I see what I think I see with a 1799 specimen obverse?

(Image courtesy of www.cointalk.com)

 

Doug, Yes there is some curl in hand on the LIB but not really any on the E or Y.

 

Cheetah, I think my curls look more like the 98 then that 99 don't you?

 

If genuine (spacing of LIBERTY looks suspect, but could be a result of tooling) it looks like a BB-111, B-11 marriage which is an R2+...here are some diagnostics to note:

Pointed 9, normal date, 8 separated from the bust
Arc Star Reverse/Five Berries in Olive Branch
Leaf tip points to space between R and I/Berry below left foot of A
Star nearly touches Ribbon/LIBE widely spaced/Star 13 Normal

 

What is Arc Star Reverse?
I think I figured out the others.
CappedBust, do you think it's real and what would you grade it if you assumed it was?
Thanks a bunch.

 

I'm not sure the curls look exactly like any thus far proffered, except what CappedBust just posted

 

Sadly me either...what does that mean?
Or do I want to know, lol