For The First Time...

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Numismatist47, Apr 30, 2010.

  1. Numismatist47

    Numismatist47 New Member

    I'm hung up on which one to acquire!

    Okay, here's the deal. A third dealer, I do little business with because of the distance between my home and their shop, has 3 MS-63 1886 Morgans, all graded and slabbed by PCGS, for the same price. I want only 1 of them. Problem is, and this never happens to me, I am stumped at which one looks the best.

    So here are pics of all 3:

    The first one is PCGS 6346463

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    The second one is PCGS 5159891

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    The last one is PCGS 6302454

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  3. raider34

    raider34 Active Member

    It's hard to tell from the scans, you've seen them in hand, so your opinion will probably be the best. But going by the scans #3 looks the cleanest, and all look like they have about the same strike. Though #2 looks a little weak on the eagle's breast, and #3 looks a little weak on the hair above the ear, but that may be a spot on the slab.

    If I had to buy one from the scans alone I would go with #3. With that said, luster plays a huge role, and we can't see that in the scans. Do you remember which one, if any, had the strongest luster?
     
  4. cpm9ball

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    If I had to choose between the three without being able to see the luster, I would probably take #2 based on the scans.

    Chris
     
  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Let me ask you guys something - when's the last time you saw a 63 Morgan as clean as any of those 3 ?

    Answer - never.

    So why are they in 63 slabs then ?

    Because all 3 are AU sliders with only slight wear.

    Pass on all 3 coins.
     
  6. USCoinsInfo

    USCoinsInfo Junior Member

    What do you mean.

    I think the third one looks the best but did you say that the second one is MS-64?
     
  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    No, I am saying that IMO all 3 of them are AU.
     
  8. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"


    I like number 3, Seems very clean with the least number of problems
    But its hard to tell with these pics!
     
  9. Numismatist47

    Numismatist47 New Member

    Of all the three, the 3rd one is the brightest one. Cmp in answer to your question about the cheek mark on the first one, that's on the slab.

    All three have great luster, which the scans do an injustice too.

    Raider, the strongest luster is the 3rd one.

    Hmm! guess I'll have to toss a coin(pun intended) :D
     
  10. clarence

    clarence Junior Member

    Since i`m a novice at grading I wouldn`t make a statement on the grades . I would value Doug`s opinion if I wanted to purchase any of those coins !
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Lemme show ya something here, these are the first 2 PCGS MS63 I found on Heritage. I didn't pick them out, they're just the first 2.

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    Now compare those 2 coins to the coins you posted pics of.

    Still doubt what I'm saying ?
     
  12. Numismatist47

    Numismatist47 New Member

    That's the difference between a photo and scan, the ones I posted look as lusterous as these two you've posted, in hand.

    I never said I doubted yours, or anyone's, word on here. That's why I started this thread because I value the opinions of the majority of the posters here at CT.
     
  13. mrak

    mrak Member

    Ok, I'm asking this b/c I really do just want to learn. All 5 posted coins have been graded MS63 by PCGS. It has been posited that the last 2 are clear MS63 whereas the first 3 are really AU's. What should I be looking for? The OP has said the pics in the first do not show the true luster.
     
  14. coinprez

    coinprez Junior Member

    If you trust the Dealer and trust the grading of these coins and you say the price is the same for all three,take the one that first caught your eye.Not the one (or two) that makes you step back for a second look when you saw something"wrong".
     
  15. Numismatist47

    Numismatist47 New Member

    The ones I posted are scanned images as compared to the two that GDJMSP posted are pictures. Scanned images of coins do the coins injustice as to luster and amount of wear, where in actual pictures show the luster a lot better.
     
  16. Numismatist47

    Numismatist47 New Member

    Nothing wrong with either of them. They're all basically the same with wear, luster, and somewhat with strike. The dealer is reputable in this area, and is president of the local numismatist society, so he is well respected here.

    Gonna have to give this some good thought first, maybe something else will pop up in the mean time.
     
  17. Cloudsweeper99

    Cloudsweeper99 Treasure Hunter

    I'm glad you said that because I thought the second one had an AUish look to it. It's hard to see breaks in luster in the photos.
     
  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Luster doesn't have anything to do with it. Look at all the dang contact marks on the coins I posted.

    Do you see even anywhere near that many marks on the coins you posted ? No. And scans show marks even better than pictures !

    So like I said in my first post in this thread - why are those coins graded MS63 when they are realitvely mark free ? Based on contact marks, those coins are cleaner than any 64 and as clean as some 65's.

    The only reason they are in 63 slabs is because the coins have light wear on them, they are not really MS coins, but AU coins instead. But because they are so clean, PCGS net graded them and called them MS63.

    If it was not for the light wear, those coins would be in 64 or 65 slabs. But PCGS knows they'd never get away with that.
     
  19. solidgold

    solidgold Member

    I like how #2 looks.
     
  20. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    I would ask the dealer to send me all three, and explain my intent to keep the one that appeals to me the most.

    I've done this a few times in the past, and generally the dealers are happy to accommodate....MIke
     
  21. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    p.s. scans, like the ones posted by the OP, don't show luster well, and I'm not comfortable making a judgment on a coin in a photo (which does a much better job) much less a scan.
     
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