How do you know when to stop collecting and start selling off your coins?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Mike Thorne, Nov 10, 2022.

  1. Mike Thorne

    Mike Thorne Well-Known Member

    I've reached an age at which I know I don't have all that many years left. No one in my family has an interest in coins, so there's no one to leave mine to who would appreciate them. Should I start selling? Send the better ones to an auction house? I talked to someone at David Lawrence Rare Coins, and they sound like a good group to go to when divesting yourself of a semi-valuable collection. Any thoughts on this topic?
     
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  3. PamR

    PamR You Never Know! Supporter

    I’m not sure but someone will reply no doubt. Good luck with your collection. Good to find someone you trust.
     
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  4. calcol

    calcol Supporter! Supporter

    Look very carefully at the tax consequences of you selling versus your estate selling later. If your collection has gone up in value, you’ll likely have to pay capital gains taxes. OTOH, depending on the size of your estate and the state you live in, your estate may owe no inheritance taxes. And the basis of your collection for your estate will be its value on your day of death. So, if the collection is sold soon thereafter, there will be little or no capital gains tax.

    Be sure your executor is well informed about the collection and how to dispose of it. Alternatively, be sure the collection is well organized, is in a safe place known and accessible to your executor, and leave a document with it listing an inventory and detailed instructions on disposition of the coins.

    If your collection has not appreciated and you’re not interested in it anymore, yeah, sell it. Remember you’ll be getting wholesale or hammer prices. If it’s really valuable, you may be able to negotiate with auction companies to get more than hammer prices.

    Cal
     
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  5. serafino

    serafino Well-Known Member

    Coin shows are one way of selling coins and many deal in cash with no tax issues.
     
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  6. LakeEffect

    LakeEffect Average Circulated

    It's a tough call, and an individual thing, too. Do the coins still bring you joy? Could you use the money? Do you still add to your collection? Or do they sit in a box in a closet?

    A lot of us face the same decision. I have my coins, my baseball cards, an old Mustang, a stereo, a record collection, a nice woodworking shop, and more, and no children. So at some point I'll pass it along to someone who can appreciate it, but not before I'm done enjoying it. The hard part is determining exactly when that time is...
     
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  7. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    You just need to find someone with compatible interests and adopt them. I mean, I'm sure my dad would be willing to negotiate shared custody. ;)
     
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  8. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    We can talk about the old Mustang and woodworking gear! ;)
     
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  9. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    David Lawrence is a good option. I have not done business with them but know some of their folks and they are first class people. This is what I did. I have a lifetime accumulation. I don;t know how to sell. My first fifty collecting years are average low quality coins. My last ten years are high quality pieces with decent value. I am buddies with my local dealer and I set up a deal with him that when I depart this spinning rock, my wife can bring my truckload of coins to him for a fair deal. I have his business cards tucked into each one of my boxes, safes, coin books, etc. I also have several special coins set aside to go to my grandson who is a rabid collector. I couldn't bear the thought of selling my coins. Just couldn't do it, but it will make a nice payday for my wife when that day comes.
     
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  10. dwhiz

    dwhiz Collector Supporter

    Dollar Hobo Art.jpg I'm in the same boat, fortunately I have children and have already given them the major portion of my collection.
    But I'm still buying and hopefully I'll figure out what to do or they can.
    Here's one I bought last night.....coins & trains oh my
     
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  11. Inspector43

    Inspector43 More than 75 Years Active Collecting Supporter

    I have been collecting for 75 years and have a similar problem. I started distributing coins to my family a couple of years ago. I made each grandchild and great grandchild a family tree oriented type set. On birthdays and other special dates, I give coins as gifts. The fact that we have 6 kids, 14 grandkids and 20+ great grandkids gives me plenty of outlets. Today is a first birthday party for my youngest grandson. I'm taking coins to the party.
     
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  12. BurrosCoins

    BurrosCoins Well-Known Member

    Same for me. No kids and what little family left has no interest in coins. My uncle gifted many of his coins to me and we still spend many days talking about them and looking for more to add to the collection. The memories are worth more than the coins. One day, I will probably do the same when I get older. As my nieces and nephews get older maybe one of them will get interested in the hobby and I will gift it to them. If not, then St. Jude will get it all.
     
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  13. Kasia

    Kasia Got my learning hat on

    You say no one in your family has an interest in coins, but perhaps they would if they had some. Perhaps will some of your nice pieces to a few of your relatives, you can even draw names out of a hat if you wish. Some may not enjoy collecting coins but may tie the receipt of that as a sign that you cared enough to give something of yours that you treasured. Possibly some or all will sell them but you won't care as you will have passed (that's how I look at things for myself). Then again, I've already decided to gift some of my coins to my family who hold no real interest in coins, not so much in the hope they do but in the hope that if they do sell, they recognize the value and they also realize that perhaps holding on to them for a number of years will help increase their value. That said, I've started gifting some to family now because I have no idea if when I pass I will have declined so far as to have no estate, and why not share a bit of "inheritance" prior to passing.

    Just consider tax consequences of actions. There are limits in place.
     
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  14. Kasia

    Kasia Got my learning hat on

    Oh, that is the best.
     
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    Mine! I keep.
     
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  16. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    How do you know when to stop collecting and start selling off your coins?

    You don't really, it's a personal decision that only you can make. But before you make that decision you should at the very least have a good understanding of all the particulars, the consequences of selling, (and there are always consequences), as well as the timing aspect.

    Selling a collection can range from being extremely complicated and downright difficult, to fairly simple and easy to do. Which, is determined by what you have already done, or not done, in the past.

    For example, have you kept detailed records of each and every purchase and have the receipts to back them up ? If you have, things are easier, if you haven't things get more difficult and complicated in regard to the tax issues. Are all your coins graded and slabbed, and by whom, or are they all raw, or a mix of the two ? The answers to these things determine what you need to do or not do before you even make your decision because there may be a lot you need to do first.

    As for timing, again that's going up to you. And timing is extremely important. Sell at the wrong time, you'll likely lose money. Sell at the right time, if you did everything right in the past you'll probably make money. If you didn't do things right, it's a toss up. To give you an example of how big a part timing actually plays, you need to be aware of things like this.

    This is a chart of what the overall market looked like when it was at its peak in 2008, which is the highest it has been in over 30 years -

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    And this is chart of what it looks like now -

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    As you can see, it's pretty dang close to where it was in 2008. Not quite as high, but pretty close. In both charts you see just how quickly the market can rise, as well as how quickly it can drop.

    The question is, what's it likely to do going forward ? Will it continue to rise, or will drop ? That's how timing works and why it it is so important !

    Those just the basics of things you need to know and be aware of before you make your decision. And then you still have consider any all things that you need to do before actually selling, like do any coins need to be slabbed and graded, or do any need to re-slabbed and graded by somebody else ? And if so, how much is that gonna cost you ? And of course, as you mentioned, you have decide which method of selling you'd like to use. That can be complicated and difficult all by itself.

    And once you know all these things then you need to go talk to an accountant - before you actually do anything ! Between the cost of doing things and tax consequences, you may not want to do anything. Or you may want to jump right on it. But understand, both have consequences. All of it, and more is up to you.
     
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  17. BurrosCoins

    BurrosCoins Well-Known Member

    I've done this with so many things in the past year. I have donated / gifted most of my father's estate and a large chunk of mine since he passed away in April. Tried to downsize and keep a minimal amount (Less to maintain). I agree that its more enjoyable to share a bit now rather than later. I like your idea to give to family that have no interest in coins in the hope they recognized value and possibly hold on to them.
     
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  18. BurrosCoins

    BurrosCoins Well-Known Member

    @Mike Thorne, I don't ever plan to stop collecting. I will probably go more demented to the point I won't now what coins are. At which time I will technically stop collecting.
     
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  19. slackaction1

    slackaction1 Supporter! Supporter

    I got Sellers Remorse... never sold any coins until yesterday. a Fellar offered me 218.00 per roll for ten rolls of my Kennedy halves 90%. I said ok but today I just wished I would have passed but I gave him my word. WHOOPIE I am thinking I paid like 150.00 or so but hick that's no money really. I won't being doing that anytime soon even its just junk U.S. silver. Even though they just sit in a cigar box in tubes. Why did I buy it in the first place if I wasn't thinking of making some return..IDK can't replace for that. another lesson always the hard way.
     
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  20. samclemens3991

    samclemens3991 Well-Known Member

    I personally requested a stack of auction invoices from Great Collections and filled out most everything but the date and a few other minor things. my wife justt has to follow the very easy instructions to submit (I even addressed and set aside the boxes to ship in.) I told her if she couldn't handle it from there she didn't deserve the money.
     
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  21. bosco5041

    bosco5041 Member

    If you still enjoy collecting, why quit? I'm in my 70's and I have no intentions of stopping. That seems to me to be the best time to collect is when you are older for obvious reasons.
     
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