This coin is a pass!! with the scratches on the reverse and the big honkin finger print on the obverse, unless its real cheap,, its not worth the grade !! or the money !! Rick
Both coins are problem coins and would be returned in body bags, rightfully so IMO, if sent to NGC, ICG or PCGS. But the first does have XF details and the second AU. Too bad somebody decided to rough 'em up that way
GD, How can you tell the 2nd coin is a problem coin? What am I missing? It looks high AU, just about MS60 to me.
My two cents... The 1911 should be a split grade. If the coin has full luster hiding under the toning and there are no problems on the obverse except the finger print and the small tick at the mouth, it could go MS63. The reverse would be the same grade but I would net grade at XF due to the scratches. And to back my opinion, I would buy that coin for XF money. The 1905 is a different story. If it has full luster on both sides, it should go MS63PQ. I knocked it down from MS64 due to the tick on the nose. If that is polishing on the face, then I would go AU58.
After bringing up your immages as much as I could, I can say that both coins have had very hard cleaning. The 1911 has definately been rubbed in several places. The 1905 looks like it has had a wire brush applied and caused hundreds of indentations. This is only a guess, as to what was used, but it's for sure it is not the original finish. Sorry, but that is the way I see them.
I would pass---the 1905 just doesn't look right...its been cleaned somehow I think....in one way it reminds me of a plated coin....ans for the other one...pass because of the finger print. Speedy
jimmy-bones, to answer your question for GD directly...on the 1905 if you look closely, you will see hairline scratches running across the face from about 8 O'clock to 2 O'clock. A quick look under a loop would show it clearly. This is commonly referred to as a "whizzed" coin. Looking at the fields, you can also see a kind of pitted frosted look, which is a common indicator that the coin was chemically cleaned. Its a shame too, still some nice detail on that coin.
Jimmy - others have pretty much explained my reasoning. The areas that I saw right off that bothered me - on the reverse, directly above ONE and directly under DIME - both areas have been heavily cleaned and/or polished in my opinion. On the obverse, the cheek & neck and pretty much the entire field area of the coin, but in particular just above the leaves and between STATES and OF, appear to be pitted. Now if I saw this coin in person, I might change my mind - but I doubt it. As for the 1911 - I think it is rather obvious.
GD and others, Thanks for the explanation! "I can see clearly now..." Seriously, I can see some of your points mentioned...in paticular above the ONE on the reverse, but the rest I'm having a hard time seeing. Maybe I need a new monitor with higer resolution Thanks for the schooling. Old Dan how did you zoom in the images?
Are these the marks your talking about. Jeez, how can you tell them from imperfections in the image? I had to open this up in the gimp and magnify it to see it. Ruben
I would imagine he did it like this - You save the pics to your own computer, use photo software to increase the size, save the file again. Nuttin to it
OK - the size of that image was double the posted original. But the original image was all I looked at - it seemed big enough to me. Why would anyone want to make it any larger ? The advanatage of using jpegs is that it keeps the file size down. That's the file format that just about everybody uses for posting on the net for just that reason.
