1877, 1916 d, 1856

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  1. Have a customer that wants to trade plumbing work for these coins. Plumbing work is worth $2800. Should I do it and does anyone know the value? Please and thank you. IMG_20220929_153003526.jpg IMG_20220929_152949913.jpg IMG_20220929_152857598.jpg IMG_20220929_152848524.jpg IMG_20220929_152732656.jpg IMG_20220929_152721083.jpg
     
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  3. mrweaseluv

    mrweaseluv Supporter! Supporter

    If they are real the 1856 FE alone is worth the price of the job x3 and the other 2 individualy would be well worth the price of the job... I would however have them checked by an expert. If all 3 real he's offering $9-12k for a 3k job
    (edit: did a quick price check... I was a little low on the FE 7-9k for that coin alone)
     
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  5. Thanks. I know condition is everything. I'm not trying to rip anyone off. I've seen the 56 fe's for $30 on the internet and the better looking ones for $12,000. Just didn't know where these fell. And are they worth getting graded?
     
  6. mrweaseluv

    mrweaseluv Supporter! Supporter

    Absolutely worth grading each and every one a very very hard and rare coin to come by even with scads of money. Those 56s you saw for $30 were either fakes or modified 58s made to look like 56s.. there are only 500-600 56s known to exist so you ain't getting a real one anywhere for 30 bucks :D The grades are not "great" but even if they all graded out as "details" coins I would expect you to clear 7-8k total at auction (while i think the 77ihc would grade clean the other 2 may or may not.. is hard to be sure from pics, but even if detailed once certified as real they still demand a higher premium then any raw coin would (I would recommend pcgs or ngc as they have higher resale premiums then anacs or icg)
     
  7. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

  8. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    The dime has graffiti on it the 56 a real hot spot on reverse that needs attention asap.the 77 looks good
     
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  9. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    The 1856 Flying Eagle Cent is no good. The "5" in the date is not right. If you draw a line down from the end of the hat on the "5" it should run parallel with the ball on the “5.” If it runs into it, as it does on that coin, it’s an 1858. Here are photos.

    Genuine 1856

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    1858

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    I have my doubts about the other two. I don't like the denticles on the 1877 Indian. They are weak or uneven, and that's often the place were the counterfeiters slip up. The "N" in "ONE" is right, but denticles trouble me.

    The mint mark on the 1916-D dime has weak serifs. They should be stronger.

    If the 1877 Indian and 1916-D are real, the deal works. Otherwise no. You need and expert to look at these coins in person.
     
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  10. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Yeah the altered date 1856 and now having second thoughts about the other 2. The mm on the 16 D looks attached. Not sure the 77 has a rotated reverse.
     
  11. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    From what I have read there are 4 MM placement 2 of them are RPM's
    You can find them on Wexler.
    http://doubleddie.com/754355.html
    I have noticed that they all have a relative MM position. The next thing to look for is the right style MM. The Same MM was used on the 14D.
    Yours.
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    And an Authentic 16D
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    Unless there are tooling marks that can't be explained I would think that the 16 D could be authentic.
     
  12. I would like to thank all of you. This lady is in her 80s and her husband was a collector. I'm not trying to rip her off. Just want a fair deal. So what it sounds like is I will be taking a risk. Thank you all again.
     
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  13. jfreakofkorn

    jfreakofkorn Well-Known Member

    Anything w a key date is a gamble ungraded , imo
    Anything like this should be graded no matter what the condition its in
     
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  14. giorgio11

    giorgio11 Senior Numismatist

    That 1916-D dime should definitely be removed from that screw-top plastic holder. One time many years ago, I bought an estate and was hurrying along due to time constraints when I ran across a 16-D dime in exactly such a holder. The mintmark and positioning appeared fine. I bought the whole estate. Later on when I had time I unscrewed the plastic fasteners, two dimes dropped out. A 1917-D for the reverse and a 1916 plain for the obverse. Fortunately the whole buy had such a lot of 90% and gold that I came out fine anyway. Lesson learned.

    One thing that 12 years as a cataloger for Heritage and many decades of coin dealing has taught me: There's a reason why those coins are in those slabs. Or not in slabs.

    Kind regards,

    George
     
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  15. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Dang that would suck.
     
  16. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Take the cash for the plumbing job and use it to buy the coins you want. Forget the trade. The guy that needs the plumbing job can see them and give you the cash.
     
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  17. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Call it a even Steven. A fun risk. Or a good deed
     
  18. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Ok here ya go. Get paid in cash and let him know you might be interested in buying a few in the near future. You just need the cash flow right now. Hope it works out
     
  19. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    I don't think the photos of the cents are clear enough to make a definite determination about authenticity. The dime may be genuine based on the appearance and position of the MM, and the rotation of the rev die.
     
  20. giorgio11

    giorgio11 Senior Numismatist

    It did indeed.
     
  21. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    I think the 77 ok. The dime I think has a chance though it has graffiti. The flying eagle is an altered 58
     
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