I dare you!!!!!!!!!

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Canerrcoins, Apr 8, 2010.

  1. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Actually, no, it is not a guess. None have been successful. Elsewise, eBay would no longer be listing such items. "An aggressive US Attorney" could easily win the second case once the president has been set.

    Also, there is only one law on the books for coins and the currency law does NOT apply to coins. Look at the Hobby Protection Act - see http://www.collectors.org/Library/Hobby_Protection_Act.asp. It takes effect at import (specified).
     
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  3. CheetahCats

    CheetahCats Colonial & Early American

    Yes, my apologies for any confusion that I may have caused.

    Sure, I also concur that 10% would indeed be enough.
     
  4. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    I'm almost certain that I remember watching CSpan and hearing that carriers were exempt from prosecution if their services are used to transport counterfeit coins or currency. They have good Lobbyists.
     
  5. se-collectibles

    se-collectibles Collector Extraordinaire

    Ya know, it takes a lot to tick me off. A LOT. But one of the things that gets me going faster than anything is somebody telling me I NEED to do something.

    You NEED to pay more attention to what's going on. The OP was asking what the USPS had to do with counterfeits.

    The only thing I NEED to do is pay taxes so I stay out of jail. Other than that, I don't NEED to do anything.
     
  6. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Hope you feel better.

    No, the OP did not ask "what the USPS had to do with counterfeit". Aside from that, I give.
     
  7. CheetahCats

    CheetahCats Colonial & Early American

    I think you meant precedent, meaning 'case law', not president.

    Anyways, you can't definitively state that based on a single successful prosecution that any and all entities would cease all unlawful activities pursuant to the theory of said prosecution and resultant precedent. If that were the case, we would have very few law violators walking the streets.

    Please see Secret Service guidance. They seem to feel otherwise, and if you don't mind, I'll take their word over yours:
    "Anyone who manufactures a counterfeit U.S. coin in any denomination above five cents is subject to the same penalties as all other counterfeiters."
    http://www.secretservice.gov/money_law.shtml
    Moreover, the above cited 'five cents' provision, as part of 18 U.S.C. § 490 : Minor coins, was revised in 1984 via Pub. L. 98-216, whereby "one-cent and 5-cent coins minted" was replaced with "minor coins coined". Hence all U.S. coins are applicable, and therefore would be subject to the same penalties as all other counterfeiters.
     
  8. coloradotokens

    coloradotokens Junior Member

    China doesnt care about US laws, all they care is getting thier product into the US some how and then taking advantage of collectors and dealers. Brush up on your counterfiet detection.
     
  9. CheetahCats

    CheetahCats Colonial & Early American

    Obviously :)
     
  10. stevereecy

    stevereecy Collects Everything

    No problem. This forum can be downright snippy at times! :)
     
  11. CheetahCats

    CheetahCats Colonial & Early American

    Thanks.

    Truth be told, it's difficult when all we have to work with is text and emoticons; easier for folks to misinterpret tone and intent.
     
  12. se-collectibles

    se-collectibles Collector Extraordinaire

    Nice sincerity. How's your passive-aggressive trolling going?

     
  13. chip

    chip Novice collector

    I have mentioned before, in similar posts and I will mention it again, the way the rico laws have been interpreted, I am a bit surprised that some enterprising attorney general from a cash starved state has not charged ebay under the rico laws, the main reason being is that they (ebay) has a ton of cash and a case could be made that they have been facilitating the import of counterfeit coins for years, that would establish that they are benefiting from the breaking of the law. If anything perhaps ebay could hire a few numismatists to check auctions to at least look like they care about not being the market place for counterfiet coins.
     
  14. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    They have hired the ANA. How many numismatist do they need?
     
  15. CheetahCats

    CheetahCats Colonial & Early American

    That thought crossed my mind too. But then I realized, mere knowledge of, doesn't prove conspiracy and collusion in an organized manner.
     
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