Thoughts on an 1802 Bust Dollar?

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by Jack D. Young, Jul 8, 2022.

  1. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    NGC and I wrote articles on these- NGC on the original "1802" seen and mine on the extended "family" of struck fakes, based on a 1799 B-10/ BB-163 large eagle reverse dollar:

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    We have seen all dates from 1798 through 1804, including and 1804!

    1804$.jpg

    The latest offering:

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    Many matching marks with the previous 1802, but with a different reverse which I have not tried to attribute yet...

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/363899198877?hash=item54ba151d9d:g:TD8AAOSwXBdixjw9

    obv marks comp.jpg

    rev comp.jpg

    My Coin Week summary article can be found at https://coinweek.com/counterfeits/s...nd-family-of-struck-fake-draped-bust-dollars/

    The last few images of the article ended up out of sync with the captions but I think you can still get the drift!

    Best, Jack.
     
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  3. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Sent an note to the seller and received these two responses:

    New message from: drew25043 (7)

    It is not, thank you. Such a shame this is what you do with your life

    New message from: drew25043 (7)

    Sorry for my reply. I was frustrated, by a previous listing being removed. I looked at some examples, and decided your most likely right. Thanks

    Listing was apparently removed
     
  4. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Good for him, doing the right thing in the end.
     
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  5. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    When you get the "we looked everywhere", doesn't that mean that ebay removed it? Otherwise I thought you get the "listing removed by seller", but I'm not sure.
     
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  6. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    I, for one, am glad for what you do. Thank you Jack.
     
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  7. Jeffjay

    Jeffjay Well-Known Member

    Fakes are the bane of the collecting community. We all need to do everything we can to stop them.
     
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  8. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Yes, it means eBay pulled it, not the seller...
     
  9. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Not exactly...
     
  10. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Oh, I thought he took the listing down. Didn't read closely enough, maybe.
     
  11. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Seller can end any listing for a variety of reasons; only eBay can present the "orange hoodie award":D...

    orange hoodie.jpg
     
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  12. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    So, what's the magic sauce to get them to hand out the orange hoodie? If you look in the World forum there's a Thai counterfeit I posted that I've reported three times. It's such an obvious fake it's a joke, but they leave it up there.
     
  13. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    I am persistent:D???
     
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    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

  16. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    I think you get the "orange hoodie" when you have a lot taken down by the eBay management because it's a counterfeit.

    As for Thai counterfeit, has anyone bid on it? Perhaps there is so little interest that no one cares.
     
  17. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Listings were removed; saved images:

    1799 comb.jpg

    1801 comb.jpg
     
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  18. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    The Thai was also removed after being reported.
     
  19. Omegaraptor

    Omegaraptor Gobrecht/Longacre Enthusiast

    Yeah the date on that 1801 in particular just does not look right. You can tell the general look is just not consistent with natural wear on a real circulated coin. I could see how someone not well versed in early coinage could be fooled by these though.
     
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  20. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    Shanghai mint at it again. That 99 looks wire brushed. These fakes getting worse and worse for deception. Thanks Jack for what you do
     
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  21. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    Good work, Jack!
     
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