Mint Error or "Details" Coin? 1982 Souvenir Set Quarter with Rim Cut

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  1. Ben Jefferson

    Ben Jefferson Member

    I recently purchased a 1982 Denver Mint Souvenir Set on eBay. The seller's picture showed this.

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    When I received it, I noticed the quarter's rim had a cut into it. These are my pictures through a magnifier.

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    If I saw something like this in pocket change, I'd suspect someone merely damaged it after it was withdrawn from the mint.

    Since this quarter is in U.S. Mint packaging, would it be considered a mint error of some collectible value? Or is the value less because the coin is damaged?
     
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  3. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    Looks like damage to me, it just happened inside the mint. I can't think of anything that would cause it that would be considered an "error."
     
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  4. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Mint error . . . struck on a damaged planchet. Completely confined by the collar and no extrusion of the metal at edges of the depression.
     
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  5. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    I agree with KBBPLL.
    Mint damage not a struck through.
     
  6. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    +1
     
  7. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    I think it happened at the mint but I don’t see it as an error. Over the years we have seen some weird things in mint packaging, even packaging errors.
     
  8. Ben Jefferson

    Ben Jefferson Member

    Good points. How do you explain the cut disappearing between letters T & G?
     
  9. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    Consider this . . . It's much harder to fill in the design where the indentation in the planchet aligns with recesses in the die, and much easier where it crosses the fields.
     
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  10. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    Would it not have to have happened after going through the upsetting mill though? Regardless, I don't really see it as a "mint error", whether it was damaged before or after striking.
     
  11. ToughCOINS

    ToughCOINS Dealer Member Moderator

    It almost certainly occurred after passing through the upsetting mill, and before strike.
     
  12. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    Really difficult to tell through the plastic. I'd vote for damage, maybe from the sealing machine itself.
     
  13. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    I'm thinking that it was whacked while in the package and rotated from that position afterwards. There appear to be marks on the package to confirm this. was the envelope it was shipped in damaged or show signs of being crushed? Ol' George took a shot to the bottom lip too.
     
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  15. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Wonderful quality control at the mint, even back then.
     
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  16. Ben Jefferson

    Ben Jefferson Member

    This had to be pre packaging. The marks on the package look like they are caused by the coin reeding. A force capable of making this cut would have left a big tear in the package. There are no tears or holes in the package.
     
  17. KBBPLL

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  18. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    I wonder how the sealing machine seals the package and if it can cause damage to a coin not completely in.
     
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  19. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Now folks I see this both ways. The area of concern has a different luster than the rest of the cent. That tells me that it could be a lamination of fold over in planchet form or it could have been damaged after it was in the Mint packaging.
    What I don't see it displacement of metal.
    My only point of not saying it was a mint error is because this type of thing shouldn't be recognized as an error. It has the look of damage.
    Here is an 86D Roosevelt. If It wasn't in the mint packaging when I bought it I would say damage. But it happened at the mint.
    The coin has copper core showing, and what looks like someone took an ice pick or something to the coin but there isn't any displaced metal.
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  20. Razz

    Razz Critical Thinker

    A while back I posted this 1965 SMS cent with rim damage inside the OGP. The consensus was the crimping machine used during the pilofilm packaging process damaged the coin rim/edge. So it is mint damage, not during the coining process but during the packaging process. So technically PMD because it happened outside the coining chamber. 20190203_203639~3.jpg 20190203_203944~2.jpg 20190203_204248~2.jpg 20190205_193217~2.jpg
     
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  21. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    Cool, did the package have damage as well, or did the mint put the coins in another and start over?
     
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