Dateless Type 1 Standing Liberty Quarter

Ebay lot. You can see it (upside down) in the first column, second row.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130374943181&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

I would have gotten the lot for closer to melt if it wasn't for 1 bidder who jacked it up to $400. This lot also contained a 17 and 17-d type 1, a weakly dated 17-d type 2, and a weak 1918. Since there is $120 worth of silver in this lot also, I am into the 1916 at the tune of around $260 or so. It was a gamble, but I was fairly confident it was a 1916. I just needed some additional eyes to make sure I wasn't seeing things, so thanks!!:hail:

 

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I would say you did very well indeed!!

 

Are you going to tell the seller what you found?

 

I guess I could, but I doubt that he would care. He sells so many of these lots by the hoard. He probably thinks he made out pretty good on the deal anyways, for 3x melt on a lot of "dateless" quarters....I wouldnt want to ruin that for him:smile

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congrats! great find!

 

what have his other standing lib auctions brought? Anywhere near the $400 you paid?
Do you think the other bidder had a clue there could be a 1916 in that lot?

 

Usually, if there wasn't any obviously valuable coins in the lots, they bring between $115-$130. It would have gone for this except for that one bidder. I'm sure he believed it to be a dateless 1916 too, but just wasnt as willing to risk as much as I was.

Are you going to post pics of your FR-2 Cringely? Is mine similar in detail to yours?

 

I've got to get out my camera, may take a couple of days

 

Here is the obverse. The real fine scratches are on the PCGS holder, not the coin.
BTW, I got it a year ago for $1,310, so I'd say you did quite well for yourself

 

Cringly: Yours definitely has more detail than mine.....but I admit now that I'm kind of confused. The hair curl on yours looks like the 16 type, but everything else looks like a 1917 to me. The shield rivet detail is strong, the crease on her robe doesnt extend to the bulkhead, the crease at the bottom of her robe, head doesn't break the beads etc......but then again I also thought that the one heritage sold raw(reference post 5) looked like a 1917 too. Maybe I'm truly losing it. I really really hope I'm wrong, and yours is a 1916 as PCGS said it was. I would do a really hard comparison with your coin to these sites:
http://www.slqcoins.us/educational.html
http://www.anacs.com/contentPages/ShowArticle.aspx?ID=16&AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1

 

Since it is PCG slabbed, I'll stand by their judgement (since that's what I relied on when I bought it).
I do plan on eventually selling it or trading it for an early heraldic dime or half dime, so the PCGS provenance helps.

 

I understand. It just makes me question my diagnostics and experience here. Are you sure the slab isn't tampered with?
Can you chime in Ksparrow, and hopefully tell me I'm wrong?

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Sorry, but that coin definitely appears to be a misattributed 1917. You can see a discussion and get some diagnostics about it here :
http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=769166

Please don't be blind to the idea that they could have made a mistake - take the issue up with PCGS and seek fair compensation.

 

I agree with Mark, I don't think the diagnostics are there, either. PCGS should make it right.

 

While looking at the hair point photos of the education site, I noticed even the MS 1916 appeared to have an incomplete inner border above the head while the 1917 was complete above the head. It this just a weak strike of this particular 1916 or could it be another diagnostic?

 

Marshal, that is one of the diagnostics. The broken beads you should be able to distinguish down to the FR02 level. I drew these up for comparison between my dateless 1916 type 1 and 1917 type 1.

Cringely: When you get a chance, can you post full pictures of your coin in the slab? Some members should be able to tell right away if the slab is not genuine.

 

I'm still new at STD LIB die characteristics.

 

Cringley, do you have a pic of the whole slab?

 

Here they are.

 

Well, the slab doesn't look fake to me, but I'll wait for someone more knowlegable to comment on it. There is a good chance that PCGS just completely screwed up. I would be on the phone with them right away to negotiate compensation for your loss.

Another question, where did you purchase this coin? If it is from a trustworthy dealer, you might be able to return it to him. I'm really sorry man. Let us know what happens.